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tish 09-19-2013 16:57

Against the Tide
 
What a waste of my good time, but I might have helped ONE person, making it worthwhile.

The diabetic educator, non-D, employed by Lilly affiliated to the IDF knows about LCHF through Tim Noakes and follows it herself, but is not allowed to recommend the LCHF woe, as it would go against her company rules. Have you ever? I was in shock! So she goes around in circles about, you may eat starch, but not much (what kind of nonsense is that), no ratios given either, takes out a couple of pamphlets recommending carrots, tomatoes, cereal, whole wheat, pro vita biscuits and HALF a SMALL AVO, no indulgence in saturated fats, but should eat margarine etc.

A very large lady, a nurse T2 who were dx 5yrs ago (and mother dx 4mnths ago) is in a state because she is ill all the time and continue to put on weight says, she is not stuck on rice and pasta, but must have 3 potatoes in the evening is answered with a 'yes have a little starch, oh but not much'.
I said why don't you tell her about the LCHF, and she said to me, she's not allowed, to which I said, but then these people miss out.

Never been one 'to get along, go along' I would just be honest about something.

I could no longer bear it and said ' well this is the forum I am on, I was helped and feel so much better. The LCHF works which I will continue with and highly recommend it'. Told her about retro potatoes and that she should join the site. Also told her what to stay away from, and the 10,20,70% ratio. She has gone from Glucophage (met) to insulin and blames the insulin for her weight gain.
Not knowing that much about insulin, I could not suggest anything.
She is scared of her doctor and the educator agrees, that doc would not be happy.


The back of the pamphlets carried a large number of diabetes websites to join and were surprised at the absence of this one. The educator said they would not recommend this one, as it is in direct contrast to what they advocate. Very cartel-like. What a sham.

Hats off to this site and Noakes over here for the courage and integrity and swimming upstream.

CDB 09-19-2013 17:15

To hell with her doctor, and yours and mine too for that matter. They're there to help and advise us, not dictate what we do, especially when good results do not follow from their directions.

You tell your doctor, s/he doesn't tell you. It's your life, not theirs. It'll be your amputation and death too, not theirs, so if their advice does not work, disregard it. Keep them in the know about what you are doing, but they do not have the final word over your actions. If good results follow from your actions then quite frankly the only they should be saying is, "Guess I was wrong..."

Do not follow rules laid down by some jackelope just because they're supposed to know what they're talking about. Remember, somewhere out there is the world's worst doctor; his patients get bad advice, bad care, and die early at a much higher rate than any other doctor. The bell curve is a reality, this doctor is out there, and the existence of the left side of the bell curve should tell you that doctors are far from infallible. In fact, though it seems counter intuitive, doctors being smart are just as likely to be wrong as anyone else, and less likely to admit it because they know how smart they are, and thus assume they can't be wrong.

Patdart 09-19-2013 17:32

Now, tish, you see what we've all been complaining about, but the ADA, etc. and the big pharma and farmers control our medicine. Sad state of affairs, but that's the way it is now.




foxl 09-19-2013 17:37

Doctors, unless diabetic themselves, only know what they have been told.

Rustynail 09-19-2013 17:42

My DE sent a letter about it being time to go see her again. If I didn't have to drop a copay on it, I would love to walk in there 68 pounds lighter, with an a1c in the 5's and watch her try to argue away my results.

I'm sure I would hear all about how I will be bald, brain-dead, toothless, and impotent soon, and how I better get back on the bread and potatoes band wagon before it's too late. (Probably an admission fee to that too)

tish 09-19-2013 17:55

The irony with all this is that my doc and the workshop were held at the private hospital named after the SA'n professor who did the world's first heart-transplant. Evidently with the intention to save heart patients not diabetics :D

CDB, my view, its the ego's! The 8th WONDER of the world and we WONDER why? :D

tish 09-19-2013 18:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patdart (Post 240017)
Now, tish, you see what we've all been complaining about, but the ADA, etc. and the big pharma and farmers control our medicine. Sad state of affairs, but that's the way it is now.

Pat, I'm a firm believer in the 'wheel that turns'. Nothing and nobody is too big to fall. They should never be too smug!

The seeds are sown and the awareness is growing.

Patdart 09-19-2013 18:05

I believe it's the strangle hold of the commercial aspects of it. Doctors and dietitians can only teach us what they've been taught unless they have diabetes and have tried it themselves and have seen the light!




tish 09-19-2013 18:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by foxl (Post 240025)
Doctors, unless diabetic themselves, only know what they have been told.

I agree with you Linda. Its the root of a problem I always look at. Where did they learn all this. I've been told that the pharma even sponsor the medical faculties at universities. I rest my case!

foxl 09-19-2013 18:11

But you also are right about EGOs being involved. They live in a culture that leads them to react with, "WHAT? I'm the DOCTOR here!" You combine that with their learning environment, the constant reinforcement of what they "know," about carbs, and it is a recipe for disaster.


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