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Old 08-30-2012, 06:23   #11
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Breakfast - slimfast 2carb shake
Snack - 2 boiled eggs
Lunch - some grilled chicken and pork cutlet and green beans and a sugar free jellow.
Snack - Raw cauliflower
Dinner - turkey taco salad (ground turkey with taco seasoning, lettuce, sour cream, salsa and cheese)

Does anything jump out as bad?? The only carbs were from veggies/condiments and it had to be less than 10 - 20 carbs today.
I'm not familiar with the Slim-Fast shakes, but everything else seems fine. Have you checked the ingredients in the shake?




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Tracey - I think you're doing great. You're eating pretty LC/LF/HP (low-carb, low-fat, high-protein) and there's nothing wrong with that as you're coming from high numbers and bringing them down. However, about half of that protein gets converted to glucose, above what your body needs/uses - and you could also choose to incorporate more healthy fats (butter, fattier meat, full-fat sour cream, heavy whipping cream, cream cheese) in place of, or in addition to, some of the protein.

Fat is a very healthy part of one's diet and yours seems rather low.

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Tracey - I think you're doing great. You're eating pretty LC/LF/HP (low-carb, low-fat, high-protein) and there's nothing wrong with that as you're coming from high numbers and bringing them down. However, about half of that protein gets converted to glucose, above what your body needs/uses - and you could also choose to incorporate more healthy fats (butter, fattier meat, full-fat sour cream, heavy whipping cream, cream cheese) in place of, or in addition to, some of the protein.

Fat is a very healthy part of one's diet and yours seems rather low.
That's what I noticed as well, Moon. Both the chicken and the turkey are lean meats with low fat content and pretty well everything else is protein. That's perfectly ok to begin with but you need to incorporate more natural animal-based fats into your diet eventually and lower the amount of protein intake.

The shake is a bit on the iffy side. Every shake I've ever checked has been too high in carbs but there is a much wider selection of foods in the U.S. as compared to here in Sweden so I have no idea if it is ok or not. My first guess would be that it is not.

Your numbers are dropping nicely and as ColaJim and others have alluded to, you do not want to come down too quickly as you could wind up suffering from the effects of "Atkins Flu" which will make you feel miserable. You're doing great so far...keep it up!

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That's what I noticed as well, Moon. Both the chicken and the turkey are lean meats with low fat content and pretty well everything else is protein. That's perfectly ok to begin with but you need to incorporate more natural animal-based fats into your diet eventually and lower the amount of protein intake.

The shake is a bit on the iffy side. Every shake I've ever checked has been too high in carbs but there is a much wider selection of foods in the U.S. as compared to here in Sweden so I have no idea if it is ok or not. My first guess would be that it is not.

Your numbers are dropping nicely and as ColaJim and others have alluded to, you do not want to come down too quickly as you could wind up suffering from the effects of "Atkins Flu" which will make you feel miserable. You're doing great so far...keep it up!
There is one other issue you do need to be aware of. It's the situation described as a "false hypo".

Put simply, your body is used to high blood sugars. As you bring it down, your body's defence mechanism will notice and panic! You may feel "hypo" symptoms even when you're well over the true hypo ceiling of about 60 mg/dL. (You'll get a better description of what's going on here: Diabetes Update: Type 2s: Understanding False Hypos ).

This is one you have to ride out too. Treating a false hypo as though it was a real one just results in your blood glucose staying higher for longer and undos a lot of your hard work for nothing.

Good luck and as has been said - patience is appropriate to the task of getting those numbers down to sanity.

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John, never heard of false hypo, but that explains what happens in your body when you change your diet from high carb to low carb almost immediately. I had a quite drastic change in my diet shortly after diagnosis and the first weeks I felt very weak. Remember I had to lay down at the gym after some excersise. But now no lack of energy

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John, never heard of false hypo, but that explains what happens in your body when you change your diet from high carb to low carb almost immediately. I had a quite drastic change in my diet shortly after diagnosis and the first weeks I felt very weak. Remember I had to lay down at the gym after some excersise. But now no lack of energy
Hans,

That link I posted describes the issue quite well. I had a very mild experience of it just after I got home from hospital.

Although my level at diagnosis was around 22 mmol/L, with an HbA1c of 8.2%, I don't think I had an average fasting that was too extreme. However, I was still using Levemir and one morning I got up to somewhere just under 4 mmol/L. I felt pretty sad and wolfed down a banana to help cope.

Now, that level wouldn't give me any problem but I can well appreciate the issue for folk who are coming down from much higher numbers and if they know it is something that will pass, hopefully they won't make my mistake.

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The slim fast shakes have 4 carbs, 2 grams of fiber and 2grams of sugar, so that should be ok, right?

So when you say healthy fats,what does that mean? Am I eating too lean meat? ie. chicken & turkey?? This is all so new to me. Any help would be great!! Thanks

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The slim fast shakes have 4 carbs, 2 grams of fiber and 2grams of sugar, so that should be ok, right?

So when you say healthy fats,what does that mean? Am I eating too lean meat? ie. chicken & turkey?? This is all so new to me. Any help would be great!! Thanks
Your aim is to use nice old fashioned fats like butter, cream, beef, lamb. Chicken and turkey aren't bad (ideally free range or organically raised) but with them, favour the dark meat rather than the white.

Stay well clear of things like low fat spreads with hydrogenated fats. When you cook, use butter or olive oil (for low temperature work). Avoid things like colsa.

For breakfast, avoid cereals with skim milk. If you can't do without your oatmeal in the morning, top it off with rich full fat milk - or better yet, try a fry up - a couple of fresh eggs fried with a nice home made beef patty and some salad. Tastes great!

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Hi Tracey and welcome! I have also recently started on this diabetes journey with blood glucose levels in the high 20s (that would be around 500 on your meter ). I am on Metformin 500mg twice a day, eating low carb/high fat, and walking every day. It has taken a couple of months but I am now consistently in the 5.0 to 7.0 ( 90 to 126 ) range. The people on this forum have been a great resource for me and all I can suggest is keep reading, be patient and stay the course - it will pay off with better overall health. I did not realize how awful I was feeling the last couple of years until I compare with how much more energy, better moods, and clear thinking I have now.
Oh - definitely add coconut oil to your diet!

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So when you say healthy fats,what does that mean? Am I eating too lean meat? ie. chicken & turkey??
My personal choice would be to fry my eggs in lots of butter or bacon grease, eat dark chicken meat vs light, drown my veggies in butter, eat the fattiest cuts of beef possible, add creme fraiche as a condiment - like that.

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