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Old 11-01-2012, 09:05   #1
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A few weeks back, in an annual screening, I suddenly had an A1C of 8.5, which isn't good, of course. So, I started the business of more carefully watching my diet and getting routine exercise.

At first, this was highly effective. Especially the exercise, In just 2 days I was having highs of about 160 and lows in the 120 range. Now that I've been doing this for a while longer (I'm now about 3 weeks on), I'm suddenly having an extremely difficult time keeping my glucose under 200 and I'm gaining weight. I'm male, 5-11 and 295. And I cut my daily calorie intake to 1400 to 1600, removed all simple sugars, most simple starches, and reduced the fat intake as well. Again, as I said, it was highly effective at first, but in the last week I've added about 2 lbs and not even starvation will get me under 130.

I don't do extreme exercise, just walk a mile or so twice a day, at a good enough rate to get my heart to 115 to 120.

I have done everything I can think of to reduce the stresses I'm under, get more sleep... Every last healthy thing there is to do, and I'm going backwards. And of course, the frustration with this isn't helping.

I'm totally at a loss here. It's bad enough to be given what is to me a lot like a death sentence (there's reasons for this) but then be unable to accomplish what I have to do. Just call me totally frustrated right now.

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Old 11-01-2012, 10:08   #2
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Hello and to the forum.

Sorry to hear that you now appear to qualify to join us.

As an excellent primer to understanding this condition, may I suggest that you have a look at Blood Sugar 101 This site was written by a lady who has been diabetic since the mid 1990s and is backed up by links to the research justifying the conclusions.

It's well worth an hour or two to explore. In particular, do look at How to Lower Your Blood Sugar

The name of our game isn't "cut calories" - it's "cut carbohydrates". Back in August 2010, I got my bad news. My A1c was 8.2% - with a blood sugar of 400. I was going into DKA. Anyway, after the crisis was resolved, the wife put me on a carbohydrate reduced diet. In six months I lost 30 pounds and knocked my A1c down to 5.2%. That's the highest it's been since.

Blood Sugar 101 will give you a lot of answers to your questions - including the ones you don't know that you should ask, but on the forum we have a wide range of members who all share one thing - Diabetes and a determination that they will control it - and not be controlled by it! The experience available means that if you have a question, chances are one of the older hands has been there and has an answer that may be of value. However we don't share the medical profession's view that "one size fits all". Some things that work for me, will be worthless for you - but other ideas won't be!

Feel free to explore and ask away.

Welcome again.

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Old 11-01-2012, 14:18   #3
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DON'T fear the FAT!!! Fat is our friend ... it fills us up and helps us eat fewer CARBS!

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Old 11-01-2012, 15:20   #4
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As far as your body is concerned it doesent care if the the carb is from sugar or whole wheat your BG goes up. Its not about the calories its about haw many carbs your body can handle. it could be that your putting on muscle from the walking, muscle weighs more than fat.
starving will raise BG, your body knows it aint eating so your liver dumps glucose.

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Old 11-01-2012, 15:27   #5
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I must join the chorus here . . . stop cutting calories, stop cutting fats. Cut carbs and keep cutting carbs. Carbs are what raises your blood sugar, so cut them as completely as you can - carbs are not essential nutrients, and for diabetics like us, they are lethal.

Whatever 'healthy' things you've been trying are prob'ly aimed at non-diabetics. From now on, you must eat like the diabetic you are, and the easiest way to control your blood sugar is stop eating foods that raise it. Increasing the fat in your meals will not only help you feel full and eat fewer carbs, it will provide the fuel your body needs for energy.

So again - don't cut calories, don't cut fats. DO cut carbs just as severely as you can. Especially watch out for grains, whole grains, milk and most fruits . . . slow death for diabetics.




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Sad to say, my experience so far is that fat indeed is a problem. While I'm working on being selective about what fats are in my diet, a meal that's 600 calories with signficant portions of fats and more proteins causes a somewhat lower peak, but the "raise" lasts 50 to 200 percent longer than one that's mostly complex carbs and proteins, with small amounts of fat.

I have indeed tracked the 2,4, and 6 hours after eating BGL and while the carb meal may cause me to peak at 210, by 4 hours I'm at 130 or so, the meal with few carbs and more protein and fat peaks at 180, but at 4 hours and I'm still 170. Tried this twice now. Even the overnight (fasting) will stay elevated. I'm still going to make several different tries of different foods in case these are due to a calorie miscount or some specific food reaction. I have food allergies, and possibly some I don't know about.

I am working toward a strategy of 4 smaller meals instead of 3, to reduce the peaks. And, as I said, even one fatty meal appears to result in elevation as long as 18 hours. Gotta test this more, but the two times so far have been very obvious.

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Old 11-01-2012, 16:37   #7
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Oh, and yes, for me, the amount makes a huge difference in what the peak is, along with what the carbs were. I can eat heavily of most vegetables and it barely bumps the needle, so to speak, of course, the amount of calories in that quantity of food is relatively small. There's just not much there

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What you say is true, mrdk, if you're trying to hold on to your carbs. Once you let go of the carbs, your body can convert to ketosis and be fueled by ketones instead of glucose. In this way, all the glucose issues are removed from the equation, and we can function every bit as efficiently - MORE efficiently in fact - on ketones. My own fasting readings dropped by 25-30 points when I got into ketosis.

http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com/




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What you say is true, mrdk, if you're trying to hold on to your carbs. Once you let go of the carbs, your body can convert to ketosis and be fueled by ketones instead of glucose. In this way, all the glucose issues are removed from the equation, and we can function every bit as efficiently - MORE efficiently in fact - on ketones. My own fasting readings dropped by 25-30 points when I got into ketosis.

Ketogenic Diet Resource
I have not seen the scientific evidence to say that this is healthy as a long term diet strategy. It seems to me that this is a pursuit of a singular goal at the expense of many other things. It is very difficult to replace the essential nutrition found in so may things that are complex carbohydrate in composition.

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I forgot to include that I am a vegetarian - I do eat things like cheese and eggs, though.

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