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Old 09-20-2009, 22:37   #11
 
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Alright thanks, I am eating oatmeal for breakfast now. My levels were 88 a couple hours after eating ceral so I though it was okay but I'll stick to Quaker Oatmeal plain with 0 sugar.

Lunch I am still confused, should I just eat a half of slice of bread then? Then it would only be 10 carbs.

Is there a target about of minimum carbs for a diabetic diet? I feel really weak a lot now and I can't afford to goto the doctor or a nutritionist because I was laid off and I have no money at all now. My only hope is to get help from here from people.

Right now my diet is probably around 600-1000 calories a day and most of that comes from protein foods, depending on what is made for supper.

What's a good example way to eat throughout the day?

My old normal (bad) one was usually

2 servings of cereal for breakfast
1 Turkey or ham sandwich with 2 slices of white bread, and some potato chips
Dinner was probably my worst meal because I would eat 2 large bowls of rice and pasta with a can of soda, and sometimes I would eat a donut or cookie after dinner (this is my OLD OLD diet by the way not now)

Now my diet is this:

Breakfast
1 serving of instant Quaker Oat meal - 20 carbs

Lunch
1 slice of whole wheat bread - 20 carbs (maybe I should only eat 1/2 a slice?)
1-2 slices of ham or turkey
1 slice of Mozzarella or American cheese
5 Saltine Crackers (11 carbs)
1 Apple (are apples bad? maybe they are raising my sugar too much)

Dinner (dinner is the hardest because it depends on what is cooked by my parents, and I can't cook) Yesterday it was this:
1 Chicken breast
1/2 cup cooked white rice (20 carbs)
1 boiled corn on the cob
2 tablespoons of Ragu spaghetti sauce

Am I eating enough? I hope I don't get sick from eating so lightly. I can't find any good advice anywhere. I am limited on what I can eat though.

I can't afford nor can my parents (yes I was laid off and now I'm living with my parents unfortunately) afford new test strips so I am stuck using expired ones. My dad said they passed the "Control Range" test and on the bottle it says 95-127 reading, and the meter read 126, so that means it's good right?

I took readings all day yesterday 2 hours after each meal. My fingers hurt from all the pricks, haha...

upon waking up in the morning it was 90, and when I went to bed it was 96
2 Hours After breakfast it was 88.
2 Hours After lunch it was 105.
2 hours After dinner it was 111.
3.5 hours after dinner it was 114
4.5 hours after dinner, after a 30 min brisk walk it was 80.
1.5 hours after the walk it was 86
2 hours after the walk it was 95 (6 total hours past since dinner)
I went to sleep after checking the 95.
After sleeping I woke up to check it again and a total of 16 hours past since I ate dinner, my reading was 84.

I am so confused right now because after walking hard for 30 mins it looked great at 80. But then a few hours later it goes back to 95? I wasn't able to get an 8 hour fasting reading because I was too tired. Now I read that people with levels in the mid 90s are greatly at risk of getting diabetes..oh boy.

Any help is appreciated I am really lost right now.


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Where are you reading about mid 90's numbers being a risk? There is no danger posed by mid 90's.

If you exercise without carbs in your body then your liver will release glucose to provide the needed energy. The problem is that may release to much glucose unless your exercise is very strenuous or for a long duration. I exercise within 30 minutes of a meal so there are ample carbs. That way the liver will not have to release more glucose. You may have had enough carbs for your walk but then those carbs were burned up and you did not eat for 6 hours so your liver may have then dumped enough glucose to raise your BS level to 95. That is the most likely scenario. I never go as long as 6 hours without eating something, even if it is only 10 carbs.

I see nothing wrong with your present diet since you are not a diabetic. I will say that white rice and corn at dinner was not a good combo. Both white rice and corn give a high blood sugar 2 hours later for a diabetic but yours only went as high as 114. If you had replaced either the corn or the rice by something that would act less quickly then you would have had lower numbers when you tested.

You may not be eating enough calories. If you have a large frame or are active then you need more than 1000 carbs. The more active you are, the more calories you need. I eat many vegetables, mostly raw, in a salad. I think you said you don't like vegetables. That makes your food choices more difficult.

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Where are you reading about mid 90's numbers being a risk? There is no danger posed by mid 90's.
Thanks for all of the help Richard, I read that right here.

High-Normal Fasting Blood Sugar Above 87 mg/dL Could Signal Diabetes Risk

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Thanks, I have never seen that kind of statement before. I don't agree wit it at all.

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Dear Digital,
The help Richard has provided you is the most accurate you would get in this world.The link you have pasted here is one of the most wierd theory by anyone on this world.That is a pure gimmick to induce fear in normal and diabetic and mint money.Beware of those kinda things.
Most likely i think that you are a normal non diabetic fearful of getting diabetic because you see diabetic around you. By living in stress you won;t help yourself.
I am sure if yougo through ogtt you would come out of this fear....be sure you are not diabetic at this stage and nobody can predict if you will get in furture or not..
relax and live a easy life.
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Irregardless of what we eat although some common sense still prevails. Exercise!!! is the key like Richard dose and make it a good habit to do. The drugs that your doctor prescribes you is not kind to your body and your doc will say that you will keep taking these drugs no matter what you do.

Exercise!!!
so that you enjoy life.

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Just wanted to thank everyone here especially Richard for all the help and advice. I lost about 15 pounds since I have been on this forum by dieting, eating healthy foods, and exercising. My blood sugar levels have been steadily decreasing and was 86 this morning after an 8 hour fast.

I found the best amount of carbs for me was around 120 per day. I eat apples, cinnamon, endives, low carb bread, low fat turkey, oatmeal every single day now. I am still feeling tired all the time though, but some tell me it may be my thyroid being underactive or something. The annoying pins and needles in my hands and feet still seem to crop up when I am nervous or out of breath, I guess the damage is done already there..

I will pass this advice to my family as well, I hope they listen and stop eating so unhealthily before it's too late for them next..

Thanks for everything again! I have seen life with a new view and will fight diabetes for the rest of my life now. And hopefully along the way help others not make the mistakes I did when I was younger teach them to eat right.

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You have not posted any numbers besides fasting, and I think you are missing a chance to check yourself out before getting too worried over hopefully nothing.

If your numbers fall between 70 and 120 within an hour of whatever you are eating, relax..... relax, and then relax some more.

Fasting numbers are nice, but they are not tests. Everyone's fasting numbers will be up and down, depending on a lot of factors. Heck, a lousy night's sleep can bump them up a bit. What you eat before bed matters. Did you exercise before going to bed. All these come into play if all you are doing is using your morning fasting numbers.

You need to step back, and realize that a few cupcakes and a brownie will not kill you, or damage you as you search for these answers :-) They will also not give you diabetes.....

There are two ways to go on your own. Test before you eat a meal, test an hour later, and test two hours later. If your numbers stay under 120, go back to the relaxing thing. You can go to Walgreens or whomever, and get an A1c home test kit. The A1c test will give you your average blood sugar readings over the last 3 months. One test kit you get a meter and do it all at home, a less expensive one, you send your blood to their lab, and they email you or contact you otherwise, with your number. That is a better number than anything you will get with your meter, first thing in the morning.

Ask your doctor to set you up with a fasting glucose tolerance test. You will fast overnight, go to the lab and they will test your levels, then give you a glucose cocktail of 75 grams of glucose. An hour later, they take your blood, and after two hours, they take it again. Test is over. This will tell you if you are diabetic or not. If its borderline, the doctor will want an A1c test.

Stress can play havoc with BG numbers. Older strips may be okay if you try the control fluid test on them, but since you are unsure of your condition, you should get new strips from the pharmacy.

Carbs is the code word someone decided should be used in lieu of "starch" and that should tell you that bread, pasta, and anything from flour or grains is probably not good for a diabetic.

Blood Sugar 101 is a great web site for information, and any search engine will help you find food that is low carb. calorieking.com lets you plug in just about anything, to get the nutritional information on it. Watch out for anything with sugar, as you work through this. It only complicates things.

Meat is okay, just not fried. Veggies are mostly low carb, and for pete's sake, don't eat cereal. Its loaded with carbs.

Again, the "don't eat it" is for this time when you are trying to find out what your condition is, not a recipe for the rest of your life.

Relax. Take readings that will teach you something you can use. Fasting numbers are not nearly enough to tell you where you are at.

Good luck. I do know the feeling of panic and depression that hits when all these possibilities come flying at you. If you are diabetic, you can't change that. If you are not, keep exercising, and consider changing your diet slightly anyway, to make sure you don't get there.

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Lunch
1 slice of whole wheat bread - 20 carbs (maybe I should only eat 1/2 a slice?)
1-2 slices of ham or turkey
1 slice of Mozzarella or American cheese
5 Saltine Crackers (11 carbs)
1 Apple (are apples bad? maybe they are raising my sugar too much)

Dinner (dinner is the hardest because it depends on what is cooked by my parents, and I can't cook) Yesterday it was this:
1 Chicken breast
1/2 cup cooked white rice (20 carbs)
1 boiled corn on the cob
2 tablespoons of Ragu spaghetti sauce

I can't afford nor can my parents (yes I was laid off and now I'm living with my parents unfortunately) afford new test strips so I am stuck using expired ones. My dad said they passed the "Control Range" test and on the bottle it says 95-127 reading, and the meter read 126, so that means it's good right?

I took readings all day yesterday 2 hours after each meal. My fingers hurt from all the pricks, haha...

None of those numbers you posted look bad. Relax some more :-)

Apples may not be a good idea. We all react differently, but most T2's that I know, myself included, cannot eat them. Too much sugar, especially since they get more and more sugar, as they ripen, just like bananas, another no-no.

If your strips pass the control fluid test, they are probably okay. New would be nice, I am where you are in the finance/insurance hole, so persevere.

Corn is not good for most (again, we are all different) and rice is too many carbs for what you gain from it.

The frozen food aisle at wally mart or others will have green beans, lima beans, cauliflower, etc. Buy a bag of each, and have a cup or a cup and a half of any combo for dinner. You need the fiber and the veggies are good for you in lieu of the rice, corn and apples. Most fruits can be a problem.

No matter about the accuracy of your strips. use them to show you trends.

Also, I until you have more proof and confidence in your system, I would stay away from bread altogether. That is a hard one. WalMart sells tortillas that are 9 carbs each, and make good sandwiches with the deli meat, and you can even toss on some cheese and microwave one which isn't bad, and minimal carbs. Mayo is okay in small amounts, along with mustard to make a tortilla sandwich more tasty.

No soda, diet or otherwise, and consider just drinking water. You can use lemon juice and a splenda packet to get a decent version of lemonade flavored drink now and then, but I really believe that until you can be officially tested, its best to stay low carbs best as you can.

Eggs, bacon, and any kind of meat is good. Tuna if you can stand the fishy taste, or else chicken in a can, like Tyson, mixed with Mayo on the tortilla is pretty good.

I am still working on all my choices, and tend to eat the same thing most every day (booooring) but I am a T2, and want to force my A1c number way down there. If you want a list of what I eat every day, send me a private message and I will list it for you.

I don't do meds, just diet and exercise, and have not seen a reading over 140 in better than a month, so I feel pretty okay about that.

Hang tough, and even if you don't know for sure, do what you are doing, as if you are diabetic, until you can do the testing required to verify it. Truth is, exercise and low starch dieting is a good thing, no matter what. Just hard to do :-)

John

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