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Old 10-30-2010, 19:05   #1
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Hello everyone - I've just been diagnosed and kind of overwhelmed.
Met with a nutrionist who basically told me everything I love to eat
I no longer can! Since food is my comfort and vice that really shook me up. Last night went out to dinner with friends and was really good, no bread, potatoes, etc. However I did have a drink which was basically orange juice and peachtree schnapps and this morning my count was 167!!!! Guess no more alcohol for me. Any advice you can offer will be appreciated. The only good thing so far as that I've lost 5 pounds. Thanks for your help.

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Hello and welcome, LindyLou . . . and good work on the weight loss!

I don't know if this will be good news or bad news for you, but it wasn't the schnapps that did you in, it was the orange juice! So if you can enjoy a "fuzzy naval" using a diet orange drink, you should be fine. Actually, the schnapps prob'ly kept you from going even higher than 167 . . . alcohol tends to drop our blood sugar levels. This is one weird disorder, I know . . .

Thank you for joining us, and if you can visit often, you'll find out all the tricks we use to keep control . . . ways to cut carbs without sacrificing everything we used to enjoy. Like I have found a high-fiber tortilla that allows me to still enjoy burritos & wraps, same as the "old" days, but without any spike in my BG . . . just tricks like that.

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Thanks so much for your advice - and so quickly. I really need to do some research on low carb diets and just why it is so important not to have spikes. Just what happens when the blood sugar levels go up? Hate to sound so uninformed but I'm really trying to find out exactly what happens when you
are diabetic. Thanks for your help. Linda

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Welcome to the forum.

Your diet alteration doesn't have to be a negative experience. I was diagnosed in July of 2009. All my life there's been a special place for food and drink. Didn't get that much food or drink when I was a kid. When I finally became my own shopper and meal provider you should have seen how my kitchen was stocked. I was 24 years old, just back from 2 tours in Vietnam as a SF adviser. I had shelves and a refrigerator stocked full of just a few items I really liked. I could tell I wasn't your every-day shopper by the look on the checkers face as she passed all my selections across the bar code reader. A lot of them would remark, "Party at your house tonight?"

After years you finally settle into your own diet. Then along comes diabetes. Yeah, sucked for me, too. The next time I shopped I pretty much didn't care for the stuff I bought. For a few months I didn't look at mealtime as something enjoyable anymore. Food became maintenance. It sucked. I'd lost a friend.

That lasted until just after last Christmas. My thanksgiving dinner sucked. Christmas was a repeat of that. New Years Eve me and old Jack Daniel's watch the ball drop, together. The next day I felt guilty. I'm a team player...and I thought I'd let the team down. I took my blood sugars almost every hour for days. Wasn't the impact I thought it'd be. I decided to do a the-way-things-used-to-be test. I had a hot dog & big scoop of egg/potato salad and a tall Blackbeery Kool-Aid w/aspartame. About 45 carbohydrates. I waited...

1hr after first bite 131mg/dL
2hrs later...107mg/dL

Really? Bread & potatoes...and I'm good to go? Yes, 1 hot dog; a little potato salad and a cool Kool-Aid w/aspartame. Not 2 hot dogs, or a large scoop of potatoes, but a portioned amount. I thought, could this be true, that I could probably eat everything I've ever eaten...just portion it down to an amount that my current diabetes situation agrees with?

Absolutely! I'm now eating everything I used to eat...it's just portioned different. I can work with that...and mathematically speaking...I think everyone else should also be able to do that. One major change I made was that I no longer buy 5-pound bags of C&H white sugar. I bought one of those a month. Yeah, that's insane, huh! I didn't just happen upon diabetes...I went lookin' for it!

Anyway...something others might want to test drive.

 
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Don't feel bad - we all start out that way, Linda . . . knowing mostly nothing about this diabetes business. The essence of it is that high blood sugar causes organ damage, especially the retinas of our eyes, as well as our kidneys, cardiovascular systems, etc. This is why you hear more about the complications of blindness, renal failure (dialysis), and amputation from diabetes. Studies show that when blood sugar goes higher than 140 (7.7 ) very often or for very long, damage begins to occur. Of the three basic nutrient groups, carbohydrate is what raises blood sugar the most and the fastest, so you're on the right track avoiding bread, potatoes, etc. Protein raises it some, and fats don't raise it at all. So meal planning becomes a juggling act to get the right balance.

By using your meter, you can start weeding out the foods that spike you, just by testing before you eat, and then testing again one hour after your first bite. If it sends you over 140 (or whatever you decide is too high), you can avoid it completely, or eat smaller portions. You can also test at two hours after the first bite and you should be back down or near to, the pre-meal level. This what we call "eating to your meter".

And it IS overwhelming at first! I hope we can help you get past the initial shock and get settled into a good workable routine that keeps you healthy AND happy!





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lindylou, Bountyman and Shanny are correct. Type 2 is very much an individual disease. Body chemistry, sleep, and food make very different results for each person. Learn to trust your meter.

And if you need more testing supplies, especially while you are in the initial stages, get your facts together and have a talk with your doctor. Some will resist, but it can be done if you are prepared. If the doctor is on board, the insurance company (most) will accept this for a period of time. No facts, no extra testing supplies, unless you have a doctor that is fully supportive and likes his office arguing with insurance companies - and most don't.

I chose insulin rather than the side effects of oral medications. I have found I can manage diabetes a lot easier. Granted the Endo does not approve of my methods when I get sick and the way I adjust my insulin dosage. After seeing my results, she finally said that it works for you, but still is not what I recommend. I told her - I had to adjust to my body and that her method would send me low and out of the range I like.

So you can see that there is a range of different solutions that are used.

Keep a positive attitude and ask questions. Just remember there are no dumb questions. Good luck and visit often.

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Welcome to the forum

i hope that you visit us regularly. This is by far, THE best place for us diabetics to talk freely and openly about whats going on with us.

Please feel free to ask any questions that you might have, as i feel that there are no "dumb" questions

You can do this, you can.

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.................... I thought, could this be true, that I could probably eat everything I've ever eaten...just portion it down to an amount that my current diabetes situation agrees with?

Absolutely! I'm now eating everything I used to eat...it's just portioned different. I can work with that...and mathematically speaking...I think everyone else should also be able to do that. ...........................Anyway...something others might want to test drive.
Hi Bountyman,

That is just about what seems to have happened to me too - even after coming of the metformin medication altogether. It really does look as though my pancreas is now functioning normally again. Whenever I eat more carbohydrate than usual, these days, my body seems to be dealing with it quite normally.

What's more, these days my blood glucose levels are virtually always in the range 4.0 (72) to 7.8 (140) - i.e. what I understand to be quite normal non-diabetic levels.

It's been a strange journey of improvement considering that I was told so many times by various healthcare professionals that there wasn't very much that I could do to prevent what they all called the "inevitable progression" of my Type 2 diabetes. Despite that, I seem to have reversed my situation almost entirely.

Best wishes - John

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A1c by self-management: 8.5 - 6.8 > 5.7 > 5.5 > 5.3 > 5.3 > 5.1 > 5.0 > 5.3 > 5.5%

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Hi
I was diagnosed Oct.19/10 and weird as it may sound I am already seeing "positives" to being diagnosed. I think I've been diabetic for a while and pre-diabetic for who knows how long... but I already feel better since beginning meds (metformin) and cutting out some sugar/carbs. So I think I feel mostly relief at this point that I don't have to feel so yucky anymore. I have a long ways to go myself in learning, controlling and maintaining... I'm glad we can come to this forum for help and support and understanding.
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Hi Bountyman,

That is just about what seems to have happened to me too - even after coming of the metformin medication altogether. It really does look as though my pancreas is now functioning normally again. Whenever I eat more carbohydrate than usual, these days, my body seems to be dealing with it quite normally.

What's more, these days my blood glucose levels are virtually always in the range 4.0 (72) to 7.8 (140) - i.e. what I understand to be quite normal non-diabetic levels.

It's been a strange journey of improvement considering that I was told so many times by various healthcare professionals that there wasn't very much that I could do to prevent what they all called the "inevitable progression" of my Type 2 diabetes. Despite that, I seem to have reversed my situation almost entirely.

Best wishes - John
Very inspiring!

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