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Old 04-09-2014, 02:35   #31
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Wow - that's interesting. I don't have time in the morning to fix eggs, I have kids to "assist" in getting ready for school - maybe I'll start prepping it the night before - or I'll just do the Greek yogurt... so, tea w/out sugar isn't going to work for me, neither is coffee... hmmm. I've read to leave out diet soda (coke zero is my preferred choice), but I'm still reading.

Tomorrow's visit w/ the dietitian is going to be "fun". Trust me - more questions to come!

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Nick, you sound like a nice guy so I am praying that you get a dietitian who has diabetes. As for the eggs--hard boiled eggs with salt and pepper are good. You don't get the butter but eggs are good protein. I used to love coffee with creamer and sugar and thought I couldn't give it up. But flavored coffee with real cream and or whipped cream--well, it is just as good if not better.

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Ok... this doesn't make ANY SENSE. I took my reading when I got home and it was 172. I ate like a pig, lots of fish, green beans w/ full fat butter, and the salad I mentioned above (which is awesome - I love imitation crab, when I can't afford the real thing). Oh yeah - there wasn't one carb on my plate (everyone else had rice, I ate more fish).
The imitation crab is the culprit. It brought a lot more carbs to the table than you realize.

NutritionData shows a 3oz surimi serving of imitation Alaskan king crab as having 13g of carbs.

A 3oz serving of real Alaskan king crab has zero carbs.

ETA: I just found this for crab delights from the Louie Kemp imitation seafood people. Can you believe all the stuff they put in it? http://www.louiskemp.com/products/cr..._style_tub.php




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Eating to your meter at before meal, then 1 and 2 hour post-postprandial intervals will guide you in tuning what (and how much of what) you can eat and establish better and better control. There is healing involved here: over time your spikes should drop even with the same foods.

On an even more hopeful note: I have hiatal hernia. Was on prilosec twice a day for years. With LCHF and identifying individual problem foods, my acid reflux went away. I have not taken meds for it in months.

As was hinted, we are renegades here - choosing to forgo foods we love as part of managing Diabetes mostly ourselves. Depending on his/her background, the dietician may say Diabetes has to be a degenerative disease so eating his/her definition of eating low carb may be 35 - 40g/carb/meal (and expect your need for meds to rise over time).

We chose to think and live (some of us for decades) thinking of Diabetes as a digestive condition that does not have to degenerate....and dream of the day mainstream medicine joins us.

Whatever you choose to do, please test pre-, and twice post-meal. Let your body teach you what is best for you.

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Nick, you should definately be aware that what we are saying is most likely the OPPOSITE of what the dietician will tell you. It's one of the reasons we encourage you to read up with all the links we provided, so you have your own research and are provided with more options than medical practice standards.

As for my eggs in AM. Turns out, they keep really well. You can prep a baked egg dish, divide it up in ziplocks, and have grab-n-go all week long. Now I got lazy this week and didn't, so mine are coming from the cafe once I get to work.

Once you get everything more controlled, you can have SOME beer, just know what it's doing to you. If you have enough pancreatic function, once you've done low-carb for a while, your body can handle the occasional "cheat," but you'll want to test like crazy to be sure. You can also modify your beers, and try low-carb. Or just have a nice glass of red wine.

Starbucks. Why do you have to miss 'Bucks? As long as caffeine does not spike you, have what I'm having: Vente latte, SF Cinnamon Dolce made with Heavy Cream. They have it behind the counter, you just have to get your local used to the order to ensure you are NOT getting half-n-half.

Chocolate: Lindt 85% cocao, 4 squares of the rich goodness is about 7(?) carbs. And you CANNOT BEAT hot chocolate made with heavy cream, 100% cocao powder, and SF sweetner of choice.

So, sweetners: Stevia (liquid and powder available) and Splenda are my go-to's. They do not contain "sugar alchohols" (which have SCARY side effects, do NOT test your tolerance without access to a private restroom). I prefer both in liquid form, Toriani SF syrups for my coffee and to add flavor to my "fat bombs" and stevia for straight sweetening (like 2 drops in tea, maybe 5-6 in coffee because I like it for dessert).

All these things are VERY "YMMV" so you want to keep up with the pre-n-post testing to see how high stuff spikes you. And you should also expect that to change over time. Sometimes stuff spikes you once, but try it again a couple of weeks later, and you may be tolerating it better. That's why there is no one-size-fits-all solution or guide. Just you and your meter, and the Hive Mind.

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I make almond flour pancakes and eat them for breakfast all week. Nom!

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Even plain yogurt varies widely. Today I was at Trader Joe's and looked at all the plain tubs of yogurt. The one I bought has 7 grams of carbs per cup. Some others had 9, 15, and 17.

Another thing that worked for me was to actually measure out the yogurt. What I did was take one of those small coffee cups or a custard cup, measure exactly 1/2 cup (because I was eating other things with carbs) and from then on I could use that cup as a guide.

Everyone has to find their own limits. I can't eat bread (any type), oatmeal, potatoes, rice, or pasta without going over 200. I never cared for any of those anyway, but people who crave those items often say the cravings go away after a while.

Some also find it helpful to say to themselves "I'll give them all up for a month and see what that does for my blood sugar."

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Eating to your meter at before meal, then 1 and 2 hour post-postprandial intervals will guide you in tuning what (and how much of what) you can eat and establish better and better control. There is healing involved here: over time your spikes should drop even with the same foods.

On an even more hopeful note: I have hiatal hernia. Was on prilosec twice a day for years. With LCHF and identifying individual problem foods, my acid reflux went away. I have not taken meds for it in months.
As was hinted, we are renegades here - choosing to forgo foods we love as part of managing Diabetes mostly ourselves. Depending on his/her background, the dietician may say Diabetes has to be a degenerative disease so eating his/her definition of eating low carb may be 35 - 40g/carb/meal (and expect your need for meds to rise over time).

We chose to think and live (some of us for decades) thinking of Diabetes as a digestive condition that does not have to degenerate....and dream of the day mainstream medicine joins us.

Whatever you choose to do, please test pre-, and twice post-meal. Let your body teach you what is best for you.
Ok - so you're completely off Prilosec? Wow. I've taken it so long I can't imagine. I had an undiagnosed stomach / chest pain go on for about a year and a half before they found the hernia. Specialist after specialist, sticking scopes everywhere... except my throat. It was a general surgeon who figured it out - he told me that it could heal overtime by itself, but the Prilosec would be a "forever thing" for me. Interesting.

So - what do you mean by ".. and twice post-meal"? One hour, then two hours post? A lot of sticking... not my most favorite thing, but I'm willing to try just about anything.

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"I'll give them all up for a month and see what that does for my blood sugar." .... yeah, that's my current course of action. I'm open to all suggestions, unless it has a negative impact.

Reminds me - I need to get my eye exam scheduled, and ask for an updated prescription ... daily headaches are killin' me.

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Hold up on the eye exam! High blood sugar will cause your eyesight to change, and it will change again when you get it under control. So get it under control first, or make sure you get REALLY CHEAP lenses, because being controlled may result in another visit. I would think once you see regular readings (maybe a week) under 120 (either pre-meal or fasting) and you still have vision problems, it would be OK to have it checked.

Yes, at the start you are sticking a lot. But then once you are having the same ingredients at meals, you know it will not spike you, and so you aren't sticking as much, just watching it go down.

And watch out with the pain meds, if you're taking any. Some of those spike us, as does being in pain itself.

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Might also mention, you can get ultra thin 33g lancing needles and if you test on the side of the finger rather than the pad it hurts less. Also different meters require different amounts of sample. Not a huge difference, but I do appreciate the smaller sample size of the relion I use.

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