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Old 04-29-2015, 15:26   #1
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Hi. . . my name is John, and I am a diabetic.

I signed up here a few years ago, but really haven't been back. I am a lucky fool, but realize it cannot go on forever.

I was diagnosed with Type 2 about 15 years ago, (I'm 40+).
At first, I controlled it with diet, but I would do major travel out of country for 5-6 weeks and it was impossible to stay on the diet.

So I let it go.

Heart disease runs in my family.
Diabetes runs in my family.
Bi-polar runs in my family.

I've got them all.

I'm lucky in the sense that in spite of how bad those things are, I'm still alive. I had a 5 heart vessel by-pass about 3 years ago. It was bad. 1 was 100% 2 were 99% and 2 were 80%. I was a first on several counts for the doctors.

After the heart surgery, I was able to keep the A1C to about 7 for about 1 year. But again, major lifestyle disruptors set me off.

My A1C has been about 10.3 for years now. My meter will commonly read 500+ bg, sometimes maxes out over 600.

Depression, (bipolar), serious fatigue, out of control hunger, is really going to get me soon.

I need focus, goals, advice, support, etc.

I am scare of high fat because of the heart issues. I've read on here that it isn't as dangerous as doctors make it seem.

But I would rather deny than to face the fear and confusion.

Like, what should I eat for breakfast? I love eggs, but to kill the appetite, I need about 6. Even then, it's back in 30 minutes. I couldn't eat enough eggs to fill me up.

I'm a big guy, 6' and 240lbs. Overweight, but not hideously obese.

Anyway, I need some guidance.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

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back John.

First off, I'm moving your thread into our Introductions Forum where the other members will find it and make it easier for them to respond.

Now the bad news. If you try to control diabetes with diet you have basically two options. Option 1, the one your doctor will suggest, is a starvation routine that no-one can sustain for a long time. Sure, it works for a week or two and you lose a bit of weight and your blood glucose comes down, a bit. Then hunger pangs hit you and you stuff your face with rubbish. Back comes the weight, with interest and out goes the control.

Option 2 means that you cut back on the carbohydrate content of your meals and replace that with healthy natural fats. So, that breakfast becomes a couple of slabs of bacon, a nice fat sausage and a couple of fried eggs. Sets you up for the day and helps pull your blood glucose into line. In addition, you'll frequently find that you lose weight on the deal.

So, sorry, our views haven't changed since last February. It's still eat a healthy high fat approach or make do with a regime of medication and starvation that, as you've discovered, does not work.

Please have another look at LCHF for Beginners - DietDoctor.com and I confirm that nothing I've seen in the last five years supports the myth that following a natural high fat way of eating creates issues for heart disease. Quite the contrary, in fact.

The rest of the gang will be along in a minute with their two cents worth. Again, back.

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What John said.

Eating fat did not cause your coronary arteries to clog up.

You are very fortunate to have survived such a serious compromise of your heart's circulation.

I'm not sure what you expect us to advise, when you reject what we will offer, before we even offer it.

Could you clarify a bit, just what you do see as a solution, if our recommendations will unacceptable to you?

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What John said.

Eating fat did not cause your coronary arteries to clog up.

You are very fortunate to have survived such a serious compromise of your heart's circulation.

I'm not sure what you expect us to advise, when you reject what we will offer, before we even offer it.

Could you clarify a bit, just what you do see as a solution, if our recommendations will unacceptable to you?
To be sure, I do not reject your advice. I simply fear. I am consciousness enough of my fear to know that it isn't the right answer, but that doesn't make it go away.

What I ask of you is not expected, but rather hoped from. Reassurance!

I can read. I have read. I know there are thousands of people on this forum who live by this. I'm afraid of trying of it, have it fail, and then me rejecting it.

I want this to work, but even if it does, there are going to be days that I think it is not.

I am not the worst on here, but I have situations are not exactly common. I am 4x more resistant to insulin than the average user. While many users take up to 20 units a day, I need over 100 units to keep my bg down.

I am not rejecting advice. I just hope that people won't say, "it worked for me, not sure what to tell you."

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I just hope that people won't say, "it worked for me, not sure what to tell you."
Until you give it an honest go, all we can say is "please try it!" 'cause it did work for me.

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When I started out I was taking upwards of 300u of insulin following ADA/dietician recommended diet. Eating this way I've been off meds for 3 years next month.

Try it for a couple weeks. What have you got to lose?

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I am not the worst on here, but I have situations are not exactly common. I am 4x more resistant to insulin than the average user. While many users take up to 20 units a day, I need over 100 units to keep my bg down.
Being insulin resistant is certainly an issue. IR is basically the cells refusing to take in so much glucose - or very much at all in some extreme cases. Throwing more and more insulin at the cells to force them to take up glucose seems like a futile venture to me. Here's where LCHF comes to the rescue. When one's body moves from using glucose as fuel to using fat as fuel, the fact that the cells are IR is no longer a big issue because they don't need the glucose (which they are rejecting anyway). The IR is "bypassed" so to speak.

For the above to work, one needs to be in a continuous state of fat burning, which is called nutritional ketosis (not to be confused with ketoacidosis DKA).

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All we ever ask is that people try low-carb/high-fat for a few weeks and see what it can do. We can't make you do it and we can't make your fears go away. All we can say is it worked for us - even those of us who have had stents, valve replacement, arterial bypass.

Please don't tell us all the reasons you shouldn't try this . . . we've already heard all the excuses, and none of them makes the cut. There's nothing new under the sun, and using LCHF will lower your blood sugar and result in you needing less insulin, and it will improve your cardiac situation as well.




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All we ever ask is that people try low-carb/high-fat for a few weeks and see what it can do. We can't make you do it and we can't make your fears go away. All we can say is it worked for us - even those of us who have had stents, valve replacement, arterial bypass.

Please don't tell us all the reasons you shouldn't try this . . . we've already heard all the excuses, and none of them makes the cut. There's nothing new under the sun, and using LCHF will lower your blood sugar and result in you needing less insulin, and it will improve your cardiac situation as well.
I won't give all my excuses. That would just take too long. But you do help with the fear.

Like last night I went shopping for food. I bought sausage, ham, beer brats, bacon, etc. I'm going to try it. Yes, it scares the hell out of me.

Yes, I hope that by posting here that someone might say, "oh, high fat is cool, but stay away from "thus and so."

I love chicken, beef, fish, etc. But I have read that talapa isn't good for you. My doctor says no more than 4 eggs a weeks. But I love eggs, I could two or three dozen a week.

I love trail mix. . . . and perhaps eat more than I should. To avoid carbs, I eat more fats. Than I start to panic to turn back to carbs.

Anyway, I hope that those here can give me a little confidence by saying, "this is ok, or that is ok." A lot of what is said here goes against traditional doctor advice. I'm ok with that, but I don't want to be stupid either.

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John,

In essence the first rule of thumb is that you are looking for natural fats without interesting chemical additives. Anything that has the help of the petrochemical industry is a no - no. So read every label carefully with a large slice of cynicism. What's printed on the label is aimed at selling the product - not helping you manage your blood glucose.

Next, use your meter mercilessly. Anything new - test it! before it joins your safe list. A new improved formula? Test it again. The only thing that is guaranteed to have been improved is their profit line.

Some foods just won't work for you. As you've seen we've got members on the forum who can't handle dairy. So they just have to work harder to step round it. Convenience foods are no longer reliably acceptable - live with it and don't try to find a way to fudge it.

Yes, it will be hard for a week or two - but bite the bullet. The whole point of the exercise is protecting you from the impact of high blood sugar and heart disease. Some of the things that work for me may work for you - but prove it to yourself with that meter!

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