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Old 07-03-2015, 19:14   #1
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Just diagnosed with A1C of 11%!!! Prescribed 500mg metformin 3x a day and referred to endocrinologist for more testing.

First priority is to lose 30-35 lbs right away - 40 years old male. I am thinking of doing Atkins (ketosis) to quickly shed pounds plus some cardio which I have done in the past successfully but didn't have diabetes then and was much younger.

Any downside to being in ketosis in context of Type 2 diabetes? My lipid profile and triglyceride were normal and I recall it even improved with Atkins rather than getting worse last time, but then again, I didn't have diabetes then.

I am assuming won't be needing metformin since in ketosis most of the time and net carbs less than 20g / day.

Should I wait for endocrinologist testing to establish better baseline first before starting ketosis or losing weight? That could be a few weeks from now. Thoughts?

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Welcome to the forum.

Well, you've definitely taken the bull by the horns. An A1c of 11% is quite high, but since you've gone back to Atkins and eating less than 20g carbs a day, I expect your next A1c to be much lower.

I used Atkins Induction to begin my low-carb lifestyle. It brought my blood glucose (BG) down right away. After I joined this forum and began to read about low-carb/high-fat (LCHF) I increased my fats and just slid into ketosis. I've been there for a couple years now. (Losing weight was a side benefit and I didn't have to even try to do it.)

I changed diet on my own. Got no counsel from the doctor except for the ADA guidelines, which I knew from looking at it that that many carbs wouldn't do me any good for lowering my BG. Many folks here have had to take their diabetes management into their own hands because many doctors (including endos) will not endorse LCHF or nutritional ketosis (we call it that to help distance the term from ketoacidosis which even some doctors don't know the difference!)

You might find this website to be of interest regarding ketosis Ketogenic Diet Resource

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Thanks. Yes, 11% was quite the wake up call. It was normal two years ago, and unfortunately, I didn't test last year. I haven't started Atkins yet, but considering it (versus other low-carb options + metformin).

Does it make sense to wait for full endocrinologist workout first? I am not what else would the endocrinologist will be testing for baseline measurement (insulin resistance testing?) or recommending here. I suppose that I can easily get out of ketosis for the endocrinologist testing (assuming that testing in ketosis stage will likely not be accurate).








I can easily switch out of ketosis for that testing.

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I'm not sure what a "baseline" test would be. The test for diabetes type would be the GAD antibodies, and I would expect an endo to do this - if not, ask for it. If you have antibodies, you are T1, if not, you'd be T2. The C-peptide test measures how much insulin one is producing. Neither of these tests would be compromised by being in ketosis (at least, I don't think so).

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And for the record, weight loss is not the fix for high blood sugar, so stop worrying about that. It's nice, but what quickly affects high blood sugar is slashing all the carbs from your meals. VeeJay has given you everything you need to know about this . . . slash the carbs and replace them with fats. If you slip into dietary ketosis, more the better - it's the best place for a diabetic to be long term, and as we all know, this diabetes journey is for the long haul. If you embrace LCHF, the weight will melt away without any effort - that's what LCHF does. It also regulates your lipids profile, your blood pressure, and at least for me, it cured my GERD (gastroesophageal reflux disease). What's not to love?! ♥ ♥ ♥




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It was what I used in the beginning until I had my initial testing and it took my A1C from 6.9 to 5.6 in less than a month and my weight did just melt away with little effort on my part. That was 5 years ago. I can't exercise because of another problem so I did lose some muscle, so if you can do that.

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My understanding was that both exercise and weight loss can impact insulin sensitivity. So that is an important step.

I am not sure what is normal testing that an endo would do but was hoping for some quantification of insulin resistance or sensitivity at baseline. Some biomarker that can be tracked aside from blood sugar levels over time.

The main downside of Atkins for me was constipation despite supplementing fiber. But I do recall feeling great on it - mental clarity, even mood and lot more energy. Dropped 30 lbs over summer. Hopefully can repeat it again.

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If you adjust the Atkins regimen to more closely match LCHF - by just adding additional fats - constipation should not be a problem. Getting enough fats in our diets often works even better than fiber for issues like this. My personal experience is a lifetime of constipation from childhood plus 60 years. When I got well established on LCHF with enough fats - finally regular after all those years.




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And the answer seems to be for me is a Phillips tab every morning. Maybe I need to add even more fat? For sure, fiber makes it worse.




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is ketosis like being in diabetic ketoacidosis? if so...dont do it. it sucked for me and i went though it unwillingly.

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