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Old 08-31-2015, 17:25   #1
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Hello All
New to the forum. Diabetic for 10 or more years type 2.
Have taken a number of different meds. Currently janumet 100/1000 ER. Glimeperide 4 mg, both once a day.
Last 2 A1C's. 7.5. Not a strict carb counter. Male 69 years old,have the usual old age problems, hypertension controlled,cholesterol controlled. Bladder cancer 2004, left kidney removed 2007. Seems stable as of today

My question, lately bs in the morning 200-268. Usually ran 130-160
Nothing has changed diet,excersice,etc.
Is it time for insulin? This is frustrating dealing with numbers.
From victoza,livimer,actos,avandia, where do you go?

Seems the the doc's are always in test mode for 3 months.
Thanks for reading this yarn.

Ps did see a Endo ,the Levimir experiment.:confused :

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"Not a strict carb counter" defines the problem, right there.

Others will be along with more guidance.

Welcome, and good luck.

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Hi Ken...
Welcome to the forum. You will see that many of us have been diabetics for some time. In my case I have been type 2 for over 8 years. Over the years my doctors like most, used various medications to help me control my diabetes. As I went along, I found out that many of the meds, especially the newer ones have some interesting and sometimes dang right dangerous side effects. Then, after learning about this site and doing all the reading I found out that I could chang what I eat, focusing on Low Carbs and High Fats (LCHF), I began to understand there are better ways to take control of diabetes. Continually increasing medications is a losing battle...that is what I figured out!

Others more experienced here than I am, will come in and give you the websites and information you need to read to understand what this is all about. It is not about dieting, it is about choosing to eat low carbs and substituting the lack of carbs by eating.....high fats, like butter, cheese, bacon, eggs, milk, cream, etc. etc.....sounds crazy...but once you read the information you will understand why this works.

I started following this on 5/1/15. In July I had my regular check in with my doctor. My A1c had dropped from 7.3 to 6.0! My cholesterol was much improved and better than necessary for a diabetic. My blood pressure was at 125/75 down from 135/89 and to top it all off my weight dropped from 318 to 292! During that time I ate everything I wanted except carbs....hamburgers without buns, bacon and eggs for breakfast, etc. etc. Within two weeks of when I started, my craving for sweets and carbs stopped! And, the only drugs I still am taking is Metformin 2000mg and Lantus injections before bed (slow acting insulin). When I began I was injecting 126u of Lantus at night, now I am down to 50u, and still seeing morning blood sugars in the low 80's. So I will continue to drop my injections of Lantus every 3 days of so, until my morning fasting blood sugars come up into the 90's.

I know this is a lot to take in, but it has been so great for me, I want to share. But, the experts, the ones who have been at this for years will soon jump in and give you a much more comprehensive post, with suggested readings. Do the reading and your own research, then give it a try....you can do this and get off of many of those med's...in time. I am not a doctor so do not change anything without your doctors knowledge, but if you improve your blood sugar by changing how you eat, the rest will soon follow...

Good Luck

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Old 08-31-2015, 18:33   #4
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Hello and welcome, Ken. 'Where you go' is to counting carbs, whether you like it or not. It's the carbs that keep your blood sugar high. All the drugs you've tried are dangerous, as are the ones you're taking presently. Both janumet and glimeperide have serious side effects, not the least of which is glimeperide will burn out your pancreas, and when that happens, you're definitely going to need insulin. Start lowering your carbs intake, and you may not need insulin, and what's more, you could even get off janumet and glimeperide. Would it not be worth it to at least try it for a few weeks?

My experience with all the 'old age' maladies is that eliminating the carbs from my meals has remedied about all of them. Not only does it keep my blood sugar low and stable without the use of injected insulin, it has also lowered cholesterol, blood pressure, and all the symptoms of GERD (diagnosed roughly 25 years ago) have literally vanished. I have fewer aches/pains than before and while I'm not running any foot races, I don't feel like the 70 years I've racked up on the calendar.

You would be wise to take carbs more seriously, and if you aren't already eating to your meter, you should seriously consider starting. Here are a couple of links to get you going: Low-carb/high-fat way-of-eating, used in conjuction with the technique to eat-to-your-meter.

p.s. You do know that Levimir is insulin, right? It's long-acting insulin.




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Ken,

I can add nothing to what Shanny has said other than to endorse her remarks.

But this link will give you a bit more information on the drugs experiments and perhaps why you should avoid them Drugs

And this one gives you a lowdown on Janumet and its variants. DPP-4 Inhibitors Januvia, Onglyza, Trajenta, Combiglyze, Janumet, and Jentadueto

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HI and welcome to the forum.

Type 2s have insulin resistance and/or insufficient insulin production issues. The two meds you listed Januvia and glimepiride force your beta cells to produce more insulin and not necessarily when you need it. Div2live is telling you right that they can be dangerous, and they can cause the expedited failure of an already ailing insulin producing system. Click here to read about some of the most commonly prescribed diabetes medications.

You should have your doctor run tests to check on your insulin production. Sounds like your insulin is not doing the job it once did, assuming you have not increased the amount of carbs you are eating.

***I see I was longer posting than I thought when I got a phone call. Shanny and John covered all that I was saying.

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Thanks to all the replies and support.
I'll try again with the carb reduction, seems I was looking for a magic
Pill or injection.
One other ? , are carbs worse or the same as ice cream,candy ?

These meds scare me with all the bad side effects

Thanks again

Going to ask my doc at the va to help,since I'm a disabled vet.
Maybe they have a better solution.

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'Fraid there's no magic pill, and I assure you the VA has no better answers either.

Yes, ice cream & candy are loaded with carbs, and so are potatoes, pasta, bread, dry beans and anything made with grains (corn, wheat, oats, barley, rice, etc.) But there are recipes here for making ice cream and candy without sugar, and with lots of fats, which is good for you.

Please use this link (LCHF for Beginners) and see all the great things you can have on a low-carb plan. If we cut carbs from our meals, we get to eat terrific things like butter, cream, all kinds of cheese, and other high-fat foods. Good natural saturated and unsaturated fats don't raise our blood sugar, and they are a wonderful source of fuel for energy. The bad-fats craze over the last 50-60 years was a hoax from the get-go. Carbs are so much more dangerous that fats, it would be funny if it weren't killing so many people from diabetes and heart disease.

Please consider LCHF - you don't need a doctor's permission, and you'll feel better almost instantly. Your blood sugar will drop like a rock. We are the people who are living the diabetes life, so if doctors disagree, all we can say is try it. Prove it. This works better than any drug, and faster too.




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Going to ask my doc at the va to help,since I'm a disabled vet.
Maybe they have a better solution.
Well, don't hold your breath. Most medical professionals still hold with diabetics eating lots of carbs, next to no fat, and then take lots of meds to help bring down their blood sugar. The only problem is that this doesn't work very well.

Most of us here have had to take control of our situation on our own, without much help from any doctor or diabetes educator.

I would encourage you, also, to try the LCHF way of eating. It actually works extremely well in lowering blood sugar and keeping it down to normal or near-normal levels. And it doesn't require any medication to do it.

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Hi Ken and welcome to the forum!!

VeeJay and Shanny just said exactly what I was going to say, so I will just wholeheartedly endorse their last comments.

I know it sounds just wrong, given what we have been told for years about saturated fats, to follow a low carb/high fat way of eating. But it really does work!! It requires a lot of testing (eating to your meter) at first to find what foods are safe for you to eat, but it gets easier as you go along. You will end up with a safe list of foods that you won't have to test every time you eat them.

Read some of the threads in the Introductions sub forum here. In them you can follow many of the new members as they begin the lc/hf way of eating, (it is not a diet, it is how you will eat the rest of your long and healthy life!!). Some went in kicking and screaming, others dove right in. Read their success stories and give it a try for a few weeks or better a month and I think you will be surprised at your progress.

Best of luck to you!

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