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Old 02-01-2016, 03:34   #1
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To begin I have type 2, been diagnosed since 2002, but the doctor I went to never took it seriously. Dropped that doctor and have a new diabetic doctor that has done AMAZING it helping me get my sugar normal again. I take metformin and I'm on insulin (levemir)

I've been on medicine since the beginning of the year and my sugars have been responding well. Today I had my lowest 72 before a meal after medicine. I wasn't feeling too hot and it was dinner time so I drank a small glass of orange juice (Sunny D) to stop shaking and made some dinner. When dinner was ready about 30 minutes later I had 2 1/4 lb burgers on whole wheat bread, cheese and ketchup. With it about a 1/4 of a dinner plate (maybe 2 big spoonfuls) of mac and cheese and a couple of cans of beer.

It's now 2 hours later, I tested my sugar and it skyrocketed from 72 to 244. I know the oj would boost my sugar so I didn't feel shaky, and the mac and cheese's carbs would get my sugar up more... but 242? Was there something else I missed in there that would cause my sugar to go up so dramatically? I thought it isn't supposed to jump more than 80 points after a meal.

Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks in advnace

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Yup, everything you had but the meat patties contributed to a rise in BG. The buns, the cheese, the ketchup, can be added to the OJ and mac and cheese you are already aware of. I'm assuming the cheese was processed sliced cheese and it was not sugar free ketchup. I'm also assuming it was regular hamburger meat and not some prefabbed burger patty. If it was prefabbed, I'd read the label looking for hidden carbs in it too. Despite what you hear, there are no healthy carbs and none are necessary, especially for a diabetic.

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Depending on what you eat, it could jump anywhere from 100 to 400 points after a meal. Did you not think that two whole wheat buns, catsup, and two cans of beer would make it jump? Grains of all kinds including whole grains are the worst offenders in spiking our blood sugar. Catsup is loaded with sugar, and beer is know in diabetic circles as 'liquid bread'.

The first thing that went wrong was assuming that 72 is low. Non-diabetics run in the 70s all the time - it is not low. It only caused you the shakes because your body is accustomed to running high and it has to throw a tantrum when you start lowering your glucose levels. There's no need to treat a 72, and certainly not with orange juice. If you can't just tough it out (only 30 minutes until dinnertime, right?), then just eat a piece of cheese (real cheese - no processed stuff like American slices or Velveeta), or a handful of nuts (tree nuts, not peanuts). Something like a beef stick (original Slim Jims) is perfect - high fat and low carb.

You can control your high blood sugar by curbing your carb consumption, and that means stop eating bread, pasta, potatoes, most fruits, and limit your beer. All cereal grains are dangerous, so anything made with corn, wheat, oats, rice, barley, etc., are going to send you spinning.

You can do it - you just have to put your mind to it. Were you to embrace this way-of-eating, I would almost bet you could get off the insulin.




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Yep. The macaroni (pasta), whole wheat buns (grains) would do it. You're finding out what many docs tell their patients, that is so-called healthy food isn't really healthy. Next time try the burgers with a lettuce wrap instead of the grain heavy buns and skip the mac and cheese. See how that works

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Depending on what you eat, it could jump anywhere from 100 to 400 points after a meal. Did you not think that two whole wheat buns, catsup, and two cans of beer would make it jump? Grains of all kinds including whole grains are the worst offenders in spiking our blood sugar. Catsup is loaded with sugar, and beer is know in diabetic circles as 'liquid bread'.

The first thing that went wrong was assuming that 72 is low. Non-diabetics run in the 70s all the time - it is not low. It only caused you the shakes because your body is accustomed to running high and it has to throw a tantrum when you start lowering your glucose levels. There's no need to treat a 72, and certainly not with orange juice. If you can't just tough it out (only 30 minutes until dinnertime, right?), then just eat a piece of cheese (real cheese - no processed stuff like American slices or Velveeta), or a handful of nuts (tree nuts, not peanuts). Something like a beef stick (original Slim Jims) is perfect - high fat and low carb.

You can control your high blood sugar by curbing your carb consumption, and that means stop eating bread, pasta, potatoes, most fruits, and limit your beer. All cereal grains are dangerous, so anything made with corn, wheat, oats, rice, barley, etc., are going to send you spinning.

You can do it - you just have to put your mind to it. Were you to embrace this way-of-eating, I would almost bet you could get off the insulin.
Excellent thank you very much. No I had no idea 72 was not low, and I thought a small bit of oj, not even 8 oz, was a good fix. I was told have a candy bar on hand just in case, and i figured a few gulps of oj would be better than a candy =\

Beer is liquid bread, well thats is depressing =\

I do enjoy jerky, so I'll have to see if I can keep some on hand to help with shakes, i figured when you are low (or what I thought was low) you are to treat with something that has sugar, not carbs, to get it back up in a hurry. Looks like I still need more education on what to treat in such occurrences.

For future references, my family are drinkers, I like to join from time to time.. nothing bad. But if beer is bad, would a liquor drink be better than beers? Of course quitting all together is best, and I plan to go that route, but should I drink what would be the best option?

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Excellent thank you very much. No I had no idea 72 was not low, and I thought a small bit of oj, not even 8 oz, was a good fix. I was told have a candy bar on hand just in case, and i figured a few gulps of oj would be better than a candy =\ Beer is liquid bread, well thats is depressing =\ I do enjoy jerky, so I'll have to see if I can keep some on hand to help with shakes, i figured when you are low (or what I thought was low) you are to treat with something that has sugar, not carbs, to get it back up in a hurry. Looks like I still need more education on what to treat in such occurrences. For future references, my family are drinkers, I like to join from time to time.. nothing bad. But if beer is bad, would a liquor drink be better than beers? Of course quitting all together is best, and I plan to go that route, but should I drink what would be the best option?
First. No need to get depressed over beer. I found I can have a couple Miller lites with no effect. The alcohol distracts everything from what little sugar is in the beer. And yes, liquors like vodka or whiskey are doable. Some find success with dry wines. As always watch mixing alcohol with medication, even diabetic meds, as low blood sugar can easily result.

FYI, sugar is carbs. Carbs are just sugars the body has to break down in some fashion to get the glucose out. Some are quickly processed, some take a bit of time. But it doesn't matter to the body if it's oj, a snickers bar, a can of soda, a bag of chips, a cup of rice, a hamburger bun, or a banana...it all turns to sugar in the body.

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Spirits and dry wines are pretty good to our blood sugar - just beware of mixers used for cocktails/highballs. I use diet tonic water for my gin & tonics, and Fresca for my margaritas.

Jerky would be a good snack option too, but be sure to check the ingredients, because a lot of jerky is flavored with teriyaki & other carby seasonings - so are Slim Jims, for that matter. Always read the labels & if anything has more than 5g of carbs, give it a pass.





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Welcome to the forum

Its good that you are questioning now, and you've found a great place to get answers. You've already received some excellent advice.

I would like to direct you to some meal threads found in the Diet section of this forum: "What's for breakfast... lunch... dinner" where you can get a good look at what this low-carb/high-fat way of eating looks like. There's also a snack thread full of LCHF ideas. The Recipe section contains lots of yummy LCHF foods, some are reasonable substitutes for our beloved high-carb foods, and many are just plain yummy on their own.

Family gatherings can be a minefield for a diabetic wanting to gain good control over their blood sugar. It helps to bring with you some snacks and, of course drink choices, that are safe for you to indulge in.

As you begin following the LCHF way of eating, do let us know how you are doing. One thing to know is that when you get your daily carb consumption down to less than 50g a day, you may experience what is sometimes called "carb flu": fatigue, mild flu-like feelings. This will be only temporary as your body makes the changeover from using carbs as fuel to using fats as fuel. It helps to keep your salt intake up, drink plenty of water, and increase fats as you decrease carbs. In a few days or so you'll come out on the other side of this feeling better than you can remember with lots of energy. (Just don't treat those symptoms with carbs/sugar because you'll have to start all over again!).

One other thing. Once you stop eating so many carbs, there won't be enough to send your BG high with the accompanying crash down to the 70s, etc. So those shaky feelings (hypoglycemia) will become a thing of the past.

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Christian...welcome

I think you will find many answers on this site and a great group of folks that have 'been down the same road’, you are now traveling. I am 65 and found out I was a T2 diabetic 9+ years ago. I thought I was managing my Type II well until late last year when I found my Ac1 blood sugar was high for the third time at 7.9. I was on 2,000mg metformin and a nightly injection of slow acting insulin, and I had worked my way up to 126u, which is a lot, even for me. I was starting to have some foot pain and my exercising and trying to each less carbs was doing little to get me back on track.

I found this website in April of 2015 year and after reading all the information provided, including the Blood Sugar 101, I did a lot of my own research and determined that changing my eating habits following this High Fat, Low Carb plan was worth a try...including learning to 'eat to my meter'!

I actually started following the Low Carb High Fat (LCHF) style of eating on 5/1/15 and in in the 10 weeks my blood sugars were been spot on with an average of 101. My weight dropped by 25 pounds, and this was prior to any exercise change. Pretty amazing results....I say! And it all started within 24 hours of changing what I ate.

I never feel hungry, but when I start eating, it taste so darn good... This new eating plan is changing my life. Food tasted better, I am full all the time, I have no cravings (after the first two weeks), etc. etc. and icing on the cake, I am losing weight! So far I have lost 45lbs or 14% of my starting body weight. And it is still dropping. So I am convinced. I intend on learning and living this life style for as long as I live. I finally have a way that works for me to control my diabetes.

I saw my doctor in October 2015, he did 'freak out’, he thought something was really wrong, to be this good I had to be sick? My Ac1 was to 5.8% down from 7.3 in March and 7.9 in the fall of 2014. I have now lost 45 lbs.....a benefit of eating LCHF...and my cholesterol, blood pressure, and other labs were IMPROVED TO NORMAL LEVELS! Not to mention my Viagra started working for me again! Can I have a ‘Yahoo’ on that? Wife Smiling!

A couple of cautions: do the reading noted above before starting. This knowledge is critical to your success. Also I will mention that, eating enough fat is critical, we are all trained ‘low fat’….but as you will find low fat and calorie counting does not work! DO NOT THINK JUST DROPPING YOUR CARB INTAKE WILL WORK, THAT ALONE CAN BE DANGEROUS!

Also, be aware that you will 'dump salt' when eating this lifestyle. If you get light headed/ tired after starting, it probably is you need to increase you salt intake, this happened to me every afternoon after starting this diet during the first two weeks. I got so bad the last time; I thought I was going to fall down. I did research on this site, when I got home, and found out salt may be the problem. I added lots of salt to my food going forward, that fixed it!

I now for the first time finally believe I can live with this disease, control blood sugars, get off of some of my meds, and live a better life with less diabetic issues in my health.

Do your reading and research, learn all you can about this eating method and learn more about diabetes.....Get yourself stocked up on test strips for your meter....set a date and give it a try....you will be amazed how you can take control of your disease and life!

Again, welcome, come on in the water is fine! Good Luck

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Christian...welcome
Your post speaks to me on soooo many levels. Little background on myself. I'm 31, I was diagnosed back in 2002 when I was in a car accident (broke my neck and shattered my femur) I never had any issues before the accident, but it seems diabetes manifested after it. Not sure if that's possible. I used to weigh 330 lbs back in the accident, dropped down to 290 and have kept it off since. Sugar has always been high, when I was diagnosed my sugar read 600. I knew nothing about the disease to after my dr appt of course my parents and I went to dinner at olive garden =\

I always thought I was doing good with my diet and meds. Never been a big sweets person so I figured no sugar, diabetes should go away. As I got older I started to notice discoloration in my calves and it TERRIFIED me. I went to my dr and he didn't even look at it, thgis was my sign I needed a new doctor. I started seeing a diabetic specialist and found I was in trouble. My sugar was almost always running about 350-400 and A1c was at about a 13. Luckily the discoloration in my legs was apparently staining from blood pooling, but it was a wakeup call that I need to get my life in order. I'm working hard to get in order, and I have had some issues that I believe are related to diabetes (cysts, ED, lack of desire to have sex.) I want to be around for my daughter, I want to have more kids, and I really don't want to lose my feet. So I'm really trying hard to get better. I'm glad a google search brought me here because from the responses I've gotten so far I really think this is going to be one of my biggest resources to get healthy. Thank you all for your feedback and advice, I will definitely be browsing through the nutrition section in just a bit. I need to learn how LCHF works, I've always thought it was high fiber I needed to aim for.

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