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Old 05-06-2016, 23:58   #11
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Ha ! I hope so, Moon, I'm hoping she had a sleepless night like me. In Australia we seem so backward in diabetes treatment but I'd never experienced such blatant judgement of me based purely on my waist measurement. I'm starting to feel embarrassed to admit I have type 2. I feel like what a smoker must feel like. Apparently I'm just intentionally killing myself because I can't control my love of pastries and I can't get off my fat butt. Neither of which are even remotely true. Imagine if that judgement was coming from your family? I never discuss my health with my family, I couldn't handle it if they thought I had done this to myself through sloth and stupidity. So I'll stick around here where people have some clue about what life as a type 2 is like.

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Honestly, we in the US are not a bit less backward, re diabetes management. Ignorance about diabetes seems to be a global phenomenon.

I think we who have some knowledge have two choices: hide away from unwarranted shame, or educate.

As to that doc, I suspect you would've gotten a tape measure in your face whether you had diabetes or not. I remember when I got notes from the sports medicine guy who did my rotator cuff surgery a long time ago, and saw him identify me as an 'overweight' woman, I was crushed! At that time I was an avid hiker, maybe 5-10 lbs overweight just not an athletic lean machine. Later I realized it really was about him not me.

It's unfortunate we patients have to absorb our docs issues, and that it's not only shrinks it seems who can be prone to doing that!

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It is demoralising. I'm 170lbs 5ft 4 and have been for at least 5 years despite what we know about type 2 & high bg and what it does to your fat stores. Where is my congratulations on keeping my weight stable whilst my body is working against me? Yes I need to lose weight and that is going to be extremely difficult. I've tried low carb, ketogenic, paleo, IF over the years and I will go back to some combo of those again. One thing I won't do is her suggestion -cardio, low Gi, low fat.

I've lost a lot of muscle mass, gained fat. Completely to be expected with high bg. My arms and legs were skinnier than the 10k a week, 20-something doctor (who id like to revisit when she's 45 and had 2 kids to see how she's faring). I have central fat just like my mother and all my relatives who ALL have adrenal/thyroid issues. My weight is a lot more complicated than what I put in my mouth. My mother is underweight, undernourished, still has a large waist and high blood pressure. She has a very good diet. She is not diabetic, her mother, her sisters etc all are. She has hemachromatosis which they call bronze diabetes. What I'm getting at is type 2 has a genetic component and is far harder to fix than with just diet and exercise. Which I'm sure WE all know. Anyway I'm scooting over to the nutrition area to start working out my plan of attack.

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I've gained weight since my avid hiking days, that's for sure. But, I am no longer trying to lose it, and reading this recent bit in the NY Times confirmed I didn't make a bad decision. It's worth a read. It says what we already know, but underlines in more detail and explains how ferociously and sadistically our bodies hang onto our weight, and force us back there if we stray.

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It's funny, I read that article a few days ago. It sums up my fears of trying to lose weight to "cure" my diabetes. I have bigger cortisol/thyroid issues than bg issues. What if I do manage to starve myself in the short term and maybe lose a few kilos, my bg numbers will improve for sure (which may make it worth it) but my thyroid/metabolism will slow down so when I start eating "normally" again (non starvation) I will pack on the "weight" I've lost (and most likely more) and I will have failed yet again. My cortisol will rise because I'm once again I'm drinking my bullet proof coffees and getting no sleep because I'm eating no carbs. If I follow her instructions and start running 10k (if I don't drop dead from a heart attack) my cortisol will rise even more. If there's one thing I've learnt it's that the adrenals, thyroid, insulin, leptin, grehlin etc hormones are all linked and you cannot solve insulin issues without at least considering what that's going to do to the thyroid etc. do I want to trade diabetes meds for thyroid meds?

Maybe my goal should be maintenance of the weight my body is trying to stay at because trying to go below that is going to be problematic.

My goal up until yesterday's debacle was to get more sleep, get off coffee, not stress my body by trying to force it to shed weight. ie. Reduce my cortisol levels.

Now I'm just more confused than ever.

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I'm not sure why that uneducated doc should have changed your goals. Saying you were going to find a new doc sounds like the perfect goal, and surely with your numbers you can find one who will prescribe basal. No?

I agree with you about stabilizing your weight where you are, and maybe because that has been mine also - to make sure I don't allow any upwards creep. Losing/gaining weight has not had any noticeable impact on my bg, though caloric deprivation does. A day of eating very little tends to set me up nicely for the next day, and I do occasionally use that. My hope/belief is that one day here or there is not enough for my body to have a set-point freak out

I've only been using insulin 2-3 days/week, but so far it has not caused any weight gain.

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In a perfect world if I had a perfect, functioning body, do you believe if I lost 40lbs I could reverse my diabetes? All these caloric restriction programs popping up lately seem to indicate you can cure yourself with major weight loss. But I don't know if I believe it. I'm a sceptic. Yes you can cut calories but you can't do it forever...what happens when you stop? I'm terrified of the stopping. Maybe you can just never stop? So when your body runs out of fat to burn and starts eating muscle, heart muscle... ...it's horrifying. Not to mention the studies that show being a little overweight is actually protective. You are more likely to survive longer if you are a little overweight. Really thin diabetics don't do as well (sorry that's a bit confronting).

When I do IF my bg numbers do go down in the short term but I've never done it long term nor seen any stats. I've never lost anything more than a few lbs. when I tried keto I ended up in the ER with dehydration (oops). I've not been able to lose any real (not just water) weight since I was diagnosed. I know the mechanics of why but it doesn't seem to stop me from hoping that one day I'll stumble upon the magic formula, WoE. It's hard when you KNOW different but the ingrained lessons you've learnt since you were a kid..that's it's just willpower, calories in, calories out, moving more etc are hard wired into you. It's almost impossible to break those beliefs. Then to explain that to a doctor who is supposed to know what they're talking about and have them say you are flat out wrong, that you just need to eat "properly" and start running daily. It's exasperating. So frustrating.

You are right, my goals shouldn't change because of her. But I do need to refine them because I'm losing control of my bg. I'm going to ignore her and read what you guys are doing and try that. At the moment I'm leaning back towards IF, no drastic weight loss attempts, just trying to get my daily numbers down.

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Ohhhh Wintercarlyle. I cried when I read your intro. I've battled with my weight since I have had kids..all four of them. I've sat on 76 kilos for around 15 years. Never putting it on but never losing. I had gestational Diabeties and I was diagnosed with T2 only 5 weeks ago. For the first 2 weeks I followed my doctors advice and followed a low fat diet. I was actually 3 times what I normally eat. BG wasn't improving and I got stuck into reading everything I could get my hands on. I lost a tiny little bit of weight but nothing to write home about that's for sure. Then I came across this forum and read everything I could. Blood 101 I read everyday. What everyone is saying here makes sense and my BG monitor loves you all
I've been on a strict low carb, high fat diet for around 3 weeks now and have lost 7 kilos to date. I feel good and my skin is really lovely from it. I eat well and I'm not hungry between meals. Can I tell you that I used to only occasionally eat ice cream, cakes etc. I've always gone for a healthy option rather than unhealthy best I could. I walk everyday and am very active....yet...I still got diabetes. I was devastated and blamed myself. Anyway after being better informed I feel a little better. P.s my doctor (I'm Aussie too) when I asked about a herb I've always taken responded..I don't know anything about herbs. I thought well your a healer and you don't know anything about substances that have helped people's health for gosh knows how many centuries!! There is great doctors in Australia, we just have to find them. Please cheer up and Take care and visit here often.

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At the moment......., no drastic weight loss attempts, just trying to get my daily numbers down.
This sounds like a good approach. Getting BG low and stable is the first priority for us diabetics.

Usually, the dietary changes of going to LCHF to control BG are enough to lose weight. But not for everyone, at least not for a period of time.

IF seems to work for some for both BG control and weight loss. Some of the members in the past had some success in doing a fat-fast Basically, 3-5 days of very few carbs and calorie restriction, and the bulk of food being fats. You'll have to do a search her for "fat fast" to find the threads. (I tried it but only lasted 2 days.)

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Hi to all the people that wrote yesterday ! I love reading your thoughts, keep them coming. So good to know there are people out there going through the same drama. I did a lot of reading yesterday and I've confirmed my thoughts that embarking on a radical weight loss attempt would be a bad idea. Listening to Jenny Ruhl's podcast about how few calories a 45 yo woman would have to eat to lose weight... It's not pretty. Her bottom line is if you try something be prepared to do that for the next 40 years because even if you are successful in the short term, the long term effect is that it will become harder to even maintain your previous set weight. You would have to eat less cals to maintain the weight that you previously could sit at comfortably.

It's hard news to hear but she's honest and that's what I'm chasing. I'm basing myself in reality from now on 😆
So even though I'm 40lbs overweight I can stay at this weight without stressing my body out and causing other hormonal issues. I'm not going to win any beauty pageants but I'm cute cuddly and happy. I don't want to be starving, grumpy and anxious for the rest of my life. I can take comfort that when the zombie apocalypse hits I will survive longer than that nasty doctor (unless I'm insulin dependent and then I'll have major problems

I like LCHF woe but could I do that forever? I don't think so. Eventually I get very bored with the options, I start to hate bacon (I know ?!!) but it does work to get my bg down so I'm going to focus on that. The trick will be not gaining weight, as Jenny said calories still count and fat has a lot of calories like it or not. That's what I ignored last time. Keto is way too hard for me. I get to the stage when fat makes me nauseous even though it's my favourite food group. I don't know how you could go keto AND keep calories in check. I certainly can't do it. I need to read up on IF especially this 16/8 protocol. But most urgently I have to deal with my BP as it is around 170/100.

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