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Old 05-07-2016, 23:44   #21
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I like LCHF woe but could I do that forever? I don't think so. Eventually I get very bored with the options, I start to hate bacon (I know ?!!) but it does work to get my bg down so I'm going to focus on that. The trick will be not gaining weight, as Jenny said calories still count and fat has a lot of calories like it or not. That's what I ignored last time. Keto is way too hard for me. I get to the stage when fat makes me nauseous even though it's my favourite food group. I don't know how you could go keto AND keep calories in check. I certainly can't do it. I need to read up on IF especially this 16/8 protocol. But most urgently I have to deal with my BP as it is around 170/100.
I can speak only about my own transition.

I was a carbaholic, definitely, but so sick with diabetes at dx that my focus was singular: get my bg down and get off meds. Figured I'd worry about the rest later.

With my focus on bg, I was forced to learn new ways of cooking and eating, and in time variety on LCHF re-entered my cooking repertoire (when I'm not too lazy to employ it!) I recently bought my first pack of bacon in a year or so, as I started drifting away from processed meats - and am doing some baking now that I had stopped, for no reason other than I tend to cook in waves. My point is, there is enough variety on LCHF that I can indulge those cycles.

Have not gained weight on LCHF, though I do always need to be aware of portion control regardless how I'm eating. That's the same now as it was on my pre-diabetes diet, and has always been a personal vulerability.

When I experimented with an extremely high-fat diet (forcing myself really), the volume of food I ate plummeted. I did not gain weight. I was keto for a while, but in the end chose not to bounce in and out of it, and wanted a bit more flexibility. As long as my bg is controlled, I'm happy I can do it without keto. If I couldn't, then I'd live in ketosis because I've learned that in time I'm adaptable

What's interesting, is that after a few years of good control, I'm finding I can reintroduce some foods that were completely off the menu, like quinoa and some beans, though certainly I eat them in moderation.

Our bodies are never-ending personal lab experiments, aren't they?

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. Our bodies are never-ending personal lab experiments, aren't they?
They definitely are. I'm mid forties and I'm still struggling to understand my body. Just when I think I've got a handle on it something changes (hello perimenopause) and bang, it's all a mess again.

I have the same reaction to keto/VLC - hunger disappears, I stop wanting to eat. I have to force myself to eat. On just low carb I tend to overeat and carb creep is real.

I'm wondering today whether the bg changes I see when I cut carbs right down are real. When you low carb they advise you to stop three days before a blood test to see your real bg numbers. Do people still do that ? Doesn't that indicate that your bg problems are only masked not altered by low carb. I think I'll have to research that today.

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I'm wondering today whether the bg changes I see when I cut carbs right down are real. When you low carb they advise you to stop three days before a blood test to see your real bg numbers. Do people still do that ? Doesn't that indicate that your bg problems are only masked not altered by low carb. I think I'll have to research that today.
I need to understand this theory better, because to me it's akin to saying, 'Start drinking 3 days before a test for sobriety to see if you're really sober or if the lack of alcohol was only masking your drunkeness ...'

Certainly, if I start eating carbs again my bg will rise. That's sure. And that rise will be my new real number vs my low-carb real number.

I think I'm missing something important in here

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Yes I'm confused about this too. I used to ignore that advice when I was low carbing. If you intend to low carb indefinitely then why would you stop just for a blood test? My problem is that I didn't ever intend to do it indefinitely (and maybe I should have & I wouldn't be here today with bad numbers). And when I started eating carbs again, my insulin issues were the same as they were before. It's like you say, an alcoholic can't be sober for three months and then expect to be cured. I cannot process carbs correctly and I never will. That's what I have to make peace with.

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I think it had to do with doing a OGTT. If you've been low-carbing, the test won't be accurate, so it is suggested that you eat more carbs beforehand - for several days, and I think I've read even a week. But, if you've already been diagnosed as diabetic, there's no reason to do this test ever again.

For any other test, like the A1C, there's no reason on earth to eat carbs before it.

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I've been LCHF for over 4 years now and can keep it at indefinitely. I have no desire nor see a reason to change because of how I've done with it. Since adopting this Way of Eating, I have added many more foods to my list of things to eat than I had dropped, so I can't complain on the variety of things to eat that I have to choose from.

I can't say if anyone else would have the same results I have had, but I have no complaints.

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I'm actually finding that too MBuster. I'm eating way more different foods than I've had to drop. I can see this being a long term thing for me as well. I've been afraid to eat out but went out to dinner for Mother's Day and found it was all ok and although I made a pass on the bread basket, which was a long pass by the way, lol there was plenty of other delectable things I could eat and after doing a BG test when I returned home it was all good. I'm not worried about eating out now.

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