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Old 06-05-2016, 19:59   #11
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Meters are the best tool we have, although they aren't 100% accurate. They are usually more accurate at lower levels than higher ones.

The fact that your morning blood glucose (BG) has been falling is testament to your good work with lowering carbs, along with metformin. But I suspect its mostly the change in your diet.

I would like to suggest that you try testing more than just the morning, your fasting level. While this can be below that 140 level, you may still be spiking above it after a meal.

Try testing 1hr after starting a meal, which is when the highest spike typically occurs. It helps also to test just before the meal, so that you can see just how many points X amount of carbs will raise your BG. (This is assuming you are totaling the grams of carbs for each meal.) Many also another hour after that to make sure BG is coming down. If it is not, or is even higher than the 1hr test, then test another hour later. Sometimes high fat will delay digestion and prolong the spike.

When you test this way: pre-meal, 1hr pp and 2hr pp, you will learn which foods affect your BG and which don't, and can take steps to reduce or eliminate the foods that spike your BG. We call this "Eat to your meter" and it works very well for gaining good control of diabetes.

The Eat-to-your-meter testing method will help you quickly find the daily carb total for YOU, and tailor your menus just for you.

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hookbill.............

Exactly where did you get this "suggested range"? My comment on the meter simply explains that meters may be off by as much as 20%. As I am sure you have already read this in Blood Sugar 101's website...(it is in chapter six...titled "Meter Accuracy"...)Although they go on to say that most meters are more accurate today, to within 5% + or -!

It only seems logical that the goals you set take this variability into consideration. You also noticed that only taking a morning reading (fasting) is not enough! If one is Yo-yoing during the day, and does not know it, that is a very dangerous situation over the long run. Testing after meals at 1hr and 2hr as you begin to learn what you can and cannot eat is the best way to get started down the road to taking control of your disease...!

Of course you have already read and absorbed all of this from the suggested reading others have recommend to you! Right? So it should go well for you like it has for most of us that are not newbies....

Good Luck....this all works, but you have to have the knowledge to be successful, and this learning process can take some time, reading, and trial and error learning...but it is worth it!
OK. Let's get something straight. I don't like your tone, just because you got diagnosed in 2002 doesn't make you an expert, unless you are a doctor. And I'm not new to forums.

I will be polite enough to answer your questions. On bottle that carries my One Touch Ultra 2 strips there is a control range: 116 - 154. That is the range per my doctor's office I need to stay in control range. More than likely you use a different product. I use Metformin 500 ER, so my medicine is distributed through a 24 hour period.

The testing time is on my prescription. Use once daily. My doctor's office recommended first thing in the morning.

I hope that addresses your concerns. Have a good day.

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Meters are the best tool we have, although they aren't 100% accurate. They are usually more accurate at lower levels than higher ones.

The fact that your morning blood glucose (BG) has been falling is testament to your good work with lowering carbs, along with metformin. But I suspect its mostly the change in your diet.

I would like to suggest that you try testing more than just the morning, your fasting level. While this can be below that 140 level, you may still be spiking above it after a meal.

Well, there is an edit on this post. Anyways, sorry, no disrespect to you meant.

Try testing 1hr after starting a meal, which is when the highest spike typically occurs. It helps also to test just before the meal, so that you can see just how many points X amount of carbs will raise your BG. (This is assuming you are totaling the grams of carbs for each meal.) Many also another hour after that to make sure BG is coming down. If it is not, or is even higher than the 1hr test, then test another hour later. Sometimes high fat will delay digestion and prolong the spike.

When you test this way: pre-meal, 1hr pp and 2hr pp, you will learn which foods affect your BG and which don't, and can take steps to reduce or eliminate the foods that spike your BG. We call this "Eat to your meter" and it works very well for gaining good control of diabetes.

The Eat-to-your-meter testing method will help you quickly find the daily carb total for YOU, and tailor your menus just for you.
I apologize for my previous post, I couldn't figure out how to edit it. I thought you said diagnosed 2002, and upon further review I may have mistook the tone of your text.


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Controlling and managing our diabetes is a personal and evolving journey. Sometimes those of us who have travelled the initial road, are passionate about passing along what we've learned through research, our own experience, and the experience of others.

You've been doing great. For a 'living in denial' guy, coming here was a huge step and bodes well for you not staying in that denial place Kudos.

It's a fair amount of reading, but the link that follows would be worth your time when you have a bit. Jenny Ruhl's site is different in that everything she says is backed up by cited studies. That's huge. It was a real education and eye-opener to me when I was dx'ed, and still is.

Anyway, the subject of what blood sugar levels are healthy is important. The following comes from here - is an initial read, and there are plenty of study references to follow:

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Why Does the Lab Sheet I Got With My Blood Test Give Much Higher "Normal" Values?

The reason that your doctor or lab might consider much higher numbers as "normal" is because doctors rely on "diagnostic criteria" set by the American Diabetes Association decades ago to define what are normal and abnormal blood sugar levels

The science used to define these diagnostic levels is outdated and inaccurate. The ADA resists changing these diagnostic criteria for reasons that are almost entirely political. You can read the grim details of how these diagnostic levels were set and why they avoid diagnosing people with diabetes until they have already developed diabetic complications: HERE.

The research described on the Research Connecting Organ Damage to Blood Sugar Level web page will make it very clear what blood sugar levels are normal and what levels are associated with the development of early diabetic complications.

If your reason for wanting normal blood sugars is to avoid all diabetic complications and the blood sugar swings that make you hungry and exhausted, shoot for blood sugars that are truly normal. Not the ADA recommended levels that are high enough to damage your organs.

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Controlling and managing our diabetes is a personal and evolving journey. Sometimes those of us who have travelled the initial road, are passionate about passing along what we've learned through research, our own experience, and the experience of others.

You've been doing great. For a 'living in denial' guy, coming here was a huge step and bodes well for you not staying in that denial place Kudos.

It's a fair amount of reading, but the link that follows would be worth your time when you have a bit. Jenny Ruhl's site is different in that everything she says is backed up by cited studies. That's huge. It was a real education and eye-opener to me when I was dx'ed, and still is.

Anyway, the subject of what blood sugar levels are healthy is important. The following comes from here - is an initial read, and there are plenty of study references to follow:
I'm a bit busy right now but I glanced at your recommendation for reading and immediately caught the part about 140 being a firm limit. That is what my limit is ranging from 116 - 140.

I am on a fixed income. I cannot afford to test more then once a day and quite honestly, I don't think I'm willing. For me it is time consuming because I still don't get it right all the time,took me 4 tries today using my system. But when I get a chance, I will attempt to read the link you sent to me completely. Thank you.

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The Test Meter I got on Amazon.com brand name is Truetest. Your Power Tool: The Blood Sugar Meter[/B] "Your blood sugar meter is the single most powerful tool available to undo the damage caused by diabetes. In Chapter Four we reviewed the medical research that suggests that it is high post-meal blood sugars that damage your organs and, over time, lead to nerve death, amputations, blindness, and kidney failure. Your blood sugar meter can help you lower those post-meal blood sugars to the level where they stop damaging your body"When I buy strips I get 500-600 at a time. If I were to test 7 times a day in 365 days I would use 2,555 strips per year. I usually get them at $0.16 to $0.19 each. So the annual cost would be $409 - $485 per year. (assuming you have no insurance to help)

That's not peanuts, but again I quote from Blood Sugar 101 End of Chapter 6..."...you might think you are taking a gamble by committing to this approach. But you are also taking a gamble if you don't. So the question you have to ask yourself is, Which gamble has the highest cost if I'm wrong?"

As for the money for strips....$400-$500 a year is a bargain if you consider the alternatives...how much are your retinas, kidneys, and toes worth? Sounds like the best investment you can make in your future....it has been for me............

Signing off now....Good Luck


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I am on a fixed income. I cannot afford to test more then once a day
Then I would suggest that you only do the 1 hour test. It will give you better information to act upon than the fasting.

Another way to test on a budget is this way: test three times a day, every third day. Test before one meal, 1hr pp, and 2hrpp. Make sure you have counted the carbs for that meal.

Over the course of several weeks you will have amassed a list of foods and menus that are good for you as a diabetic and will not raise your BG. It will also tell you what foods you should probably drop from your meals.

Knowing what is actually happening is like driving at night at highway speed with the headlights on. Not knowing... you've only got the dimmers on.

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So you are suggesting that I purchase something from Amazon for testing blood sugar as opposed to what I have? That is interesting.

I am disabled, and I'm on a fix income. What you call small potatoes pays for my yard work and snow plow.

But thank you for telling me about the option.

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