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Old 01-04-2018, 15:38   #1
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I'm a new member and I registered to help my father who is type 2 diabetic. I stumbled upon LCHF (by chance as my father got tired of eating brown rice daily and we noticed his sugar levels improving).

I have watched a couple of videos on youtube by Dr Jason Fung, Dr Sarah Halberg and Dr Eric Berg. I have some questions on insulin resistance but I will ask later as it is 10pm here and I need to gather my thoughts.

Today my father's reading pre-breakfast 4.2, pre-lunch 5.7 and pre-dinner 10.2. I am puzzled why the dinner reading is high as it was a 4 to 5 hour gap from lunch.

Hope to learn from this forum.

Thanks very much.

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Welcome

It's great that you are your father's support in his diabetes management. I commend you for doing this and your search for knowledge about diabetes.

I'd also recommend Blood Sugar 101 as a resource - lots of good, and accurate, information there - all backed by cited studies and research.

Re: your father's pre-meal BG levels. What Bg is before a meal is only one part of the equation. Most of us use http://www.diabetesforum.com/diabete...ng-method.html to give us meaningful data (i.e., what exactly are the foods that raise BG, and how high is it going). The information gained by this testing method allows one to make informed decisions about the foods we eat.

If your father doesn't have enough test strips to do this for every meal during the day, then just pick one meal on one day. It won't be long before he determines that X grams of carbs at one time will raise his BG way high, and a lower amount will not.

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I'm a new member and I registered to help my father who is type 2 diabetic. I stumbled upon LCHF (by chance as my father got tired of eating brown rice daily and we noticed his sugar levels improving).

I have watched a couple of videos on youtube by Dr Jason Fung, Dr Sarah Halberg and Dr Eric Berg. I have some questions on insulin resistance but I will ask later as it is 10pm here and I need to gather my thoughts.

Today my father's reading pre-breakfast 4.2, pre-lunch 5.7 and pre-dinner 10.2. I am puzzled why the dinner reading is high as it was a 4 to 5 hour gap from lunch.

Hope to learn from this forum.

Thanks very much.
welcome!!

as Veejay said, it is GREAT that you are taking an active role in helping your father.

out of curiosity, what did he eat in the meals that you did the pre-testing.

a few things come to mind but lets start with what he is eating and we can go from there.

also - is he on any medication/Insulin?

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Blood Sugar 101 - VERY informative and accurate
http://www.diabetesforum.com/diabete...ng-method.html a tried and true testing method
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb lists foods for LCHF

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Hello, BeepBeep! Welcome.

There's a wealth of information and experience here. Please gather your thoughts and come back with your questions. We're here to help!

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Hi all. Thank you for replying and thank you to VeeJay for the information.

2017 was a challenging year for my father. I think if his BGs are stable, it will help him a lot.

hftmrock - Yes my father is on oral medication 40mg gliclazide with 1000mg metformin HCI in the morning and another 1000mg in the evening.

His meals for yesterday are as follows:-

Breakfast:
1 slice of whole meal bread (made out of canadian purple wheat) labelled 100% wholegrain with lactose free cheese spread
1 soft boil egg
Cup of goats milk (contains fructooligosaccharide and galactooligosaccharide - not sure but pharmacist says that it will not cause much fluctuation)

Lunch :
125grams steamed snapper with garlic, ginger, chicken stock, 1/2 teaspoon sweentened vinegar and 1/2 teaspoon soy sauce
Steamed egg
About 1 1/2 handful veggies (broccolli and cauliflower)
8 cashew nuts
6 pieces of papaya (around 1 inch by 1/2 inch) and 2 cherries
Cup of coffee sweetened with 1/8 tsp of stevia

Dinner :
100grams roasted pork belly with honey mustard sauce
stir fried bitter gourd (about 5 inches in size) with 3 mushroom
10 cashew nuts
Cup of rooibos tea.


This morning his pre-breakfast reading was 7.2. Seems rather high as yesterdays diet is low in sugar.

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@chargette Thank you for the welcome!
@hftmrock - Just an update on my fathers BG. Yesterday his pre-breakfast 7.2, pre-lunch 6.6 and pre-dinner 10.2 (still high) and it was a no fruit day. This morning his pre-breakfast was 3.9. Moving forward we will study the information shared by VeeJay and 'eat to the meter'

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His meals for yesterday are as follows:

Breakfast:
1 slice of whole meal bread with lactose free cheese spread
Cup of goats milk

Lunch :
125grams steamed snapper with garlic, ginger, chicken stock, 1/2 teaspoon sweentened vinegar and 1/2 teaspoon soy sauce
About 1 1/2 handful veggies (broccolli and cauliflower)
8 cashew nuts
6 pieces of papaya (around 1 inch by 1/2 inch) and 2 cherries

Dinner :
100grams roasted pork belly with honey mustard sauce
stir fried bitter gourd (about 5 inches in size) with 3 mushroom
10 cashew nuts
Hello again, BeepBeep.

Since our diabetic bodies have difficulty processing carbohydrates, many of us here follow an ultra-low-carb or ketogenic way of eating, keeping our carb intake somewhere between 20 and 50 carbs a day (depends on the individual). I try to stick to 25-30 carbs a day myself.

When carbs are that restricted, you learn that it doesn't take much of certain foods to rack up the amount of carbs taken in.

The slice of bread and cup of milk your father had for breakfast has at least 30 carbs, not counting the cheese spread, which may or may not have carbs in the form of flavors or texture modifiers. Most of us would have to stop eating for the day after that!

Obviously foods like honey mustard sauce contain carbs -- not a lot in the quantity your father likely consumed, but 3-5 carbs in that serving would not be surprising. Even some non-sweet foods (like papaya or onions) have surprising amounts of carbs in them. Cashews are high in carbs for nuts; the 10 cashews eaten with dinner have around 9 carbs (who knew?). So dinner likely had at least 15 carbs itself.

"Eat to your meter" is great advice. But most of us also found that label-reading became a critical part of managing our diabetes so we could avoid eating foods that are naturally high in sugar (don't forget, starch counts as carbs too) as well as the foods which you'd think were low-carb but -- in keto meal plans -- really are not.

Most of us have modified our diets considerably so we can control our blood glucose levels. Eventually this gets easier to do. But the rewards are unmistakeable.

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I'm a new member and I registered to help my father who is type 2 diabetic. I stumbled upon LCHF (by chance as my father got tired of eating brown rice daily and we noticed his sugar levels improving).

I have watched a couple of videos on youtube by Dr Jason Fung, Dr Sarah Halberg and Dr Eric Berg. I have some questions on insulin resistance but I will ask later as it is 10pm here and I need to gather my thoughts.

Today my father's reading pre-breakfast 4.2, pre-lunch 5.7 and pre-dinner 10.2. I am puzzled why the dinner reading is high as it was a 4 to 5 hour gap from lunch.

Hope to learn from this forum.

Thanks very much.
Yes, that does seem puzzling. Does he have a stressful job? Or is he taking in additional calories without realizing it?

Sometimes a health food snack or drink is laced full of calories yet it comes highly recommended so we don't tend to question it. And, we may not realize that it needs to be logged. Something like this about an hour before his pre-supper test could be causing his spike.


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I know someone that thought replacing his sugar in his coffee with honey would allow him to not log his coffee. he was always told that honey was very healthy.

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