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According to the Center for Disease Control and Prevention OBESITY has been found to contribute to 55% of all cases of type 2 Diabetes. 55 PERCENT!!!!!!!!!
I was one of the other 45% I weighed 165lbs before I got the call from my doctor. Now I weigh 286 and I'm still in the uncontrolled type 2 category. My GP has given me the of a specialist which I making an appointment ASAP.
 

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Or, perhaps the same thing that causes diabetes causes obesity in some people. The research is far from conclusive. Kind of how the more churches that are in a city, the more bars there are in the city... both are based on increased population, but someone could claim more churches mean there are more bars. :)
 

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I bet if they did a demographic study on that 55% of people who are obese and are diabetic they might find that many of those individuals are from lower class areas than middle or middle-upper or upper class systems. I don't mean to sound insensitive to those of lesser means, however the more you have to depend on "the system" to help you out with food and such, the more you will gravitate toward the "carby" "starchy" foods because they last longer and can be stretched. Eating healthy is expensive in America. If you do not have the means to eat healthy, you eat what can be provided. A box of Kraft Mac and Cheese can feed four people and costs under $1. A gallon of milk is between $2-$3 dollars, but a half gallon of say Almond, Coconut, or Soy milk is upwards of $4. So, keep the demographics in mind, and also if diagnosed diabetic, the wonderful ADA recommendations and the crap that nutritionalists are shoving down these peoples throats is mostly guaranteed to keep them diabetic, and lead them to obesity.
 

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Oh, and as a side note to my previous post, I know plenty of people who are grossly obese and do not have diabetes. Actually there numbers are very much normal. So how do we explain that?
 

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According to the Center for Disease Control and Prevention OBESITY has been found to contribute to 55% of all cases of type 2 Diabetes. 55 PERCENT!!!!!!!!!
I wonder about the wording here... especially the use of "contribute to".

I accept that there is an association between Type 2 and Obesity but correlation does not show causation.

There is an almost 100% association between house-fires and the appearance on the scene of fire-fighters... do we assume that fire-fighters cause house-fires?
 

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Oh, and as a side note to my previous post, I know plenty of people who are grossly obese and do not have diabetes. Actually there numbers are very much normal. So how do we explain that?
The word I use for the link between obesity and diabetes is "reveal," as in "being obese can reveal that you are diabetic." Some people can gain weight and never have bg problems; they're simply not diabetic, no matter what they eat. For others, gaining weight reveals their diabetes; if they had always stayed thin and active, they may have controlled their diabetes without ever knowing they were doing so. And then there are the thin and active people who develop diabetes anyway.

So yeah, there is a link between obesity and diabetes, but the link is NOT that obese diabetics made themselves diabetic; it's that they lived and ate in a way that revealed their diabetes. And by living and eating differently, they can control it. Sounds reasonable to me.
 
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What this 55% number doesn't tell you is how many of these people are Insulin Resistant. Many obese people may not overeat but they are insulin resistant which contributes to high levels of insulin which leads to storage of fat. If there was such a strong connection between diabetes and being obese, every obese person would have diabetes. I really think what is more dangerous is the yo-yo dieting that most americans do. I really do think this messes with our cell structure. I was always thin until I had 6 pregnancies in 11 years. I probably gained and lost the same 70 pounds I don't know how many times. By the time I was dx'd with diabetes I was 148 pounds, not really heavy but a little overweight but I was solid muscle. I weigh less now- 120 but I have lost a lot of the muscle.
 
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I am my own proof of weight gain and Diabetes. My entire adult life and most of my childhood I was 230-250 lbs. The year before I was Dxed with Diabetes I swelled to a slice of toast away from 300lbs. I then immediately lost 30 lbs from Diabetic complications. My diet never changed just my weight.
 
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I would be more willing to say that Diabetes caused 55% of the people dxed to be obese.
I know that's true for me. Obesity, menopause and the first symptoms of what I now know is diabetes all popped up at the same time. Sort of a perfect metabolic storm.

My diet habits weren't great. But they were far from terrible. My activity level started out around average, but went down as weight piled on and symptoms proliferated. In that order.
 
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I would be more willing to say that Diabetes caused 55% of the people dxed to be obese.
I don't agree that obesity is the root cause of anything. Metabolic syndrome is a general condition caused by nutrient imbalance. Obesity, diabetes, HBP, heart disease, arteriel disease, even cancers and alzheimers are all results of wrong nutrition. Too much sugar. Sugar kills.
 

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I don't agree that obesity is the root cause of anything. Metabolic syndrome is a general condition caused by nutrient imbalance. Obesity, diabetes, HBP, heart disease, arteriel disease, even cancers and alzheimers are all results of wrong nutrition. Too much sugar. Sugar kills.
Genetics and food sensitivities play a huge role as well. How much sugar or starch is "too much?" The answer depends on an individual's make-up.

Judging by my family and medical history, I should never have been exposed to grain foods, potatoes or rice. Period. But how could I have known that? I ate a fairly "normal diet" -- in some ways, a healthier one than average -- and paid a big price for it.

Meanwhile, other folks can eat without thinking or measuring -- including plenty of carbs -- with impunity.

We've got to stop blaming people for their medical conditions, and demand real research that leads to real answers.
 

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I bet if they did a demographic study on that 55% of people who are obese and are diabetic they might find that many of those individuals are from lower class areas than middle or middle-upper or upper class systems. I don't mean to sound insensitive to those of lesser means, however the more you have to depend on "the system" to help you out with food and such, the more you will gravitate toward the "carby" "starchy" foods because they last longer and can be stretched. Eating healthy is expensive in America. If you do not have the means to eat healthy, you eat what can be provided. A box of Kraft Mac and Cheese can feed four people and costs under $1. A gallon of milk is between $2-$3 dollars, but a half gallon of say Almond, Coconut, or Soy milk is upwards of $4. So, keep the demographics in mind, and also if diagnosed diabetic, the wonderful ADA recommendations and the crap that nutritionalists are shoving down these peoples throats is mostly guaranteed to keep them diabetic, and lead them to obesity.
I agree with your thoughts on this.

All the "economy" brands on offer are high carb, low fat or in the case of meat raised intensively and chock full of growth hormones and antibiotics.

Since we made a conscious decision to focus on real food the weekly food shopping bill has jumped by about 30%. Finding clean products means that the OH has to spend a lot of time reading labels to avoid the traps left by the marketing experts. These boys are very clever at hiding their "new improved" additions that are aimed at enhancing the product sales - not the food quality.

It's a price we pay, but I have to say that I'm not happy about it!

I'm convinced that the "obesity epidemic" and the "diabetes epidemic" arise from the same root cause - the push to chemically enhance products to cheapen production or increase "addictive attraction" and enhance profitability.

For some, that just means finding bigger clothes, for others, less lucky, it mean diabetes (with or without weight gain)
 
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