[dregan]

Found this forum VIA Google.

I was diagnosed "officially" today as type two.

I have been around a 5 y/o diagnosed with type one for three years so I am not completely new to this. Though I am sure I will have questions here and there.

This actually shocked the heck out of me and most around me. I'm pretty fit, I have an overall good diet, and I am only 36. O-well no reason to do the whole wonder why thing right?! It is what it is, time to move forward and welcome minor changes to my life, my worst bad habbit... smoking, with help from Chantix and friends.

I am not huge on grand entries so I will leave it at this for now.

 

[Patdart]

Hi, dregan...sorry you had to find us, but welcome to our happy little gang. Read the sticky by Beefy and then just dig around on our archives and learn what you can and ask any questions you want answered...and share your life with us as much as you want.

Remember the only dumb question is one not asked!

 

[dregan]

Thank you for the welcome.

I will definitely browse a lot here shortly. Right now my isp is acting up and slowing down my browser. Almost like I am being tossed back 10 years and on dial up. lol

My main questions are mostly about diet. Since I haven't even had time to get an A1C, symptom diagnoses at this point. I am curious as to what carb levels I should be shooting for at this point, if any. The doctor hasn't really talked much about it yet, we will be getting into it more in a couple days after the A1C results are back. I am used to the 45 carb meals 15 carb snack schedule the little one has, should I shoot for something similar or go with low carb high protien meals to drop my BS levels quicker. My fasting level this morning was 150, I seem to hold around 250-300 unmedicated 2 hours after eating 30-45 carbs.

If someone has any insight I am all ears, well eyes in this case. I will try the search feature in the mean time.

 

[Shanny]

Hello & welcome! I sympathize with you having to go back on dialup. Are you in a rural area?

I think your idea about going lower carb is the quickest way to move your BG down FAST. If you have a meter (and if you don't, you need one asap! ), start testing an hour after your meals & if any foods bump your BG higher than 140 (7.7), test them again another day, but if they insist on sending you too high (over 140), then remove those foods from your menus - or at least sharply restrict consumption. After a few weeks of this, you'll have compiled a good working food list of things you can safely eat. My own testing balanced up at about 40g of carbs PER DAY, so don't be surprised of yours leads you lower than what doctors recommend. They have to toe the ADA party line, and so far the ADA refuses to recognize that carbs are the problem. (too many grain growing associations pressuring them! )

Thank you for joining us - it's great to have you along!

Thank you for the welcome.

I will definitely browse a lot here shortly. Right now my isp is acting up and slowing down my browser. Almost like I am being tossed back 10 years and on dial up. lol

My main questions are mostly about diet. Since I haven't even had time to get an A1C, symptom diagnoses at this point. I am curious as to what carb levels I should be shooting for at this point, if any. The doctor hasn't really talked much about it yet, we will be getting into it more in a couple days after the A1C results are back. I am used to the 45 carb meals 15 carb snack schedule the little one has, should I shoot for something similar or go with low carb high protien meals to drop my BS levels quicker. My fasting level this morning was 150, I seem to hold around 250-300 unmedicated 2 hours after eating 30-45 carbs.

If someone has any insight I am all ears, well eyes in this case. I will try the search feature in the mean time.

 

[dregan]

Thanks for the insight. Wow only 40 carbs per day? I know its not just carbs, though mostly, calories have some effect along with other factors. I guess it depends on what particular type or level (?) you are at. (Not all cases are identical) I am tuned into type one, now I have to learn the realm of type two for myself. I still think its almost funny that people think cutting out sugar alone is the answer

I do not have dial up, but there is something wrong with the lines or my modem, I haven't looked into it yet. I have a modest 10Mb line, running at about 90kb at the moment

Hello & welcome! I sympathize with you having to go back on dialup. Are you in a rural area?

I think your idea about going lower carb is the quickest way to move your BG down FAST. If you have a meter (and if you don't, you need one asap! ), start testing an hour after your meals & if any foods bump your BG higher than 140 (7.7), test them again another day, but if they insist on sending you too high (over 140), then remove those foods from your menus - or at least sharply restrict consumption. After a few weeks of this, you'll have compiled a good working food list of things you can safely eat. My own testing balanced up at about 40g of carbs PER DAY, so don't be surprised of yours leads you lower than what doctors recommend. They have to toe the ADA party line, and so far the ADA refuses to recognize that carbs are the problem. (too many grain growing associations pressuring them! )

Thank you for joining us - it's great to have you along!

 

[Shanny]

Thanks for the insight. Wow only 40 carbs per day? I know its not just carbs, though mostly, calories have some effect along with other factors. I guess it depends on what particular type or level (?) you are at. (Not all cases are identical) I am tuned into type one, now I have to learn the realm of type two for myself. I still think its almost funny that people think cutting out sugar alone is the answer

I do not have dial up, but there is something wrong with the lines or my modem, I haven't looked into it yet. I have a modest 10Mb line, running at about 90kb at the moment

Sheesh! I re-read you post & this time I opened my eyes . . .

The biggest difference in my opinion, is that we who don't use insulin are just plain stuck when our BG gets too high. All we can do is go out & keep running around the block until it comes back down (or whatever exercise trips your trigger). Even as your youngster ages, s/he'll prob'ly need to adjust carb intake too, just to keep insulin usage as low as possible.

One of the absolute best guides for both type 1 AND type 2 is Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution. A Complete Guide to Achieving Normal Blood Sugars.

If you get your carbs from high-fiber vegetables, and fill up with protein & fats, you'll be controlling blood sugar well without being hungry & without gaining weight.

Let us know when you see the doc & how your A1c, etc. turn out.

 

[Gizmo]

I know its not just carbs, though mostly, calories have some effect along with other factors.

I have never heard of calories having any affect on blood sugar, I think when it comes to food, it is mostly carbs that affect it. Of course doctors say some of us got Diabetes from being overweight, but lots of people who are thin and have no family history of Diabetes get it anyway. Most likely, the truth is they don't know what causes it.

I am not taking any meds and can only eat 20 to 30 carbs per day to keep my bg where I want it. As you say, everyone is different. Welcome to the forum.

 

[dregan]

The way it was explained to me is that you need X calories as part of the energy source to burn off the carbs along with all the other goodies in a "good diet". I don't know the exact effect of calories and fats for that matter. I think they put limits on more for like you said weight gain. But, I do understand the theory of energy to burn, so to speak.

Again this is something that was explained to me, I had no factual info to back it up. I am still learning a lot.

I have never heard of calories having any affect on blood sugar, I think when it comes to food, it is mostly carbs that affect it. Of course doctors say some of us got Diabetes from being overweight, but lots of people who are thin and have no family history of Diabetes get it anyway. Most likely, the truth is they don't know what causes it.

I am not taking any meds and can only eat 20 to 30 carbs per day to keep my bg where I want it. As you say, everyone is different. Welcome to the forum.

 

[Gizmo]

I believe calories are only important when it comes to weight gain or loss. Carbohydrates are the main source of energy. When people eat low carb and high fat, as many diabetics do, then fat becomes their main source of energy.

 

[dregan]

That sounds more accurate than what was told to me. I am still trying to figure out what I should and shouldn't eat for now until my diagnoses is complete. It was easy to make a diet for a type one, but type two is a pain, for a newbie anyway. I just took out 90% of my normal intake and i still have a hard time getting under 60-100 carbs for the day. Fasting BG was 186 this morning. 30 carb dinner last night with a 30 min walk and 5 mins on the eliptical. I went for blood work today so I will know my A1C in a couple days. I am tempted to go get a home test so i know NOW! lol

I believe calories are only important when it comes to weight gain or loss. Carbohydrates are the main source of energy. When people eat low carb and high fat, as many diabetics do, then fat becomes their main source of energy.

 

[Gizmo]

Everyone is different, but I can tell you what I eat. No starchy items like pasta, bread, corn, peas, etc. No sweets, no fruit. I eat unbreaded meat, fish and poultry, cheese, low carb nuts. I use heavy cream/half water instead of milk, real mayo, real butter. I cook with pure olive oil (extra virgin olive oil breaks down during cooking). The only veggies I eat are the ones that are low on the glycemic index.

You can check out the recipe section to get more ideas.

 

[Shanny]

Hey Joyce? If you like breaded meat/poultry/fish once in awhile, we've found a tasty low-carb breading mix - you'll see us referring to "Brandie's Breading". It's equal parts of almond flour & wheat gluten, plus grated parmesan. The drippings make terrific country gravy too.

 

[foxl]

dregan ... if you are fit and a healthy weight, and that 5 year old is a relative ... well, be aware there is a slow-onset adult autoimmune D -- LADA.

You might want to get tested for GAD-65 antibodies, just to rule that out.

Many adult T1's even, eat restricted-carb diets. It is easier for some to use insulin and / or control their weight that way.

I do. And while I am not losing weight anymore, eating in the 30 - 45 g per day range has definitely stabilized my weight. Without counting calories or any other restrictions -- I eat until I am FULL -- just not carbs.

 

[dregan]

6'3" 180, I can't say I really had a good exercise routine in place, though my job is very physical.

No relation. It is still always a concern though. My mom is the only one I know of in the family with any type of diabetes and hers was from her thyroid and other complications, she is type 2.

Thanks for the insight.

dregan ... if you are fit and a healthy weight, and that 5 year old is a relative ... well, be aware there is a slow-onset adult autoimmune D -- LADA.

You might want to get tested for GAD-65 antibodies, just to rule that out.

Many adult T1's even, eat restricted-carb diets. It is easier for some to use insulin and / or control their weight that way.

I do. And while I am not losing weight anymore, eating in the 30 - 45 g per day range has definitely stabilized my weight. Without counting calories or any other restrictions -- I eat until I am FULL -- just not carbs.

 

[foxl]

Uuuurgh ... I have hashimoto's thyroiditis. Genetically, it goes with slow-onset Type 1, aka LADA. It is considered to be Autoimmune Polyendocrine syndrome 3.

Get antibody testing. Your mom should, too ...

 

[dregan]

I had blood work done today. I don't know what all they are testing for at this point. I will mention this to her and inquire with my doctor on Tuesday.

Thanks

Uuuurgh ... I have hashimoto's thyroiditis. Genetically, it goes with slow-onset Type 1, aka LADA. It is considered to be Autoimmune Polyendocrine syndrome 3.

Get antibody testing. Your mom should, too ...

 

[foxl]

Explain your family history and mention GAD-65 antibodies. Is this an internist? Most of them are not familiar with LADA.

I got mine to do the testing, but he was very reluctant because he did not know how to interpret it.

 

[dregan]

No it is not an intern, though it is just a busy family doctors office. I am thinking once I get her (my family doctors) final diagnoses, I may go see a diabetes specialist. I am sure what your talking about would be more understood/known by them.

On a side note, with a minimal carb diet all yesterday (about 8) my fasting BG this morning was 116! It is still high but, that is the best I have seen since I started checking 4 days ago.

Explain your family history and mention GAD-65 antibodies. Is this an internist? Most of them are not familiar with LADA.

I got mine to do the testing, but he was very reluctant because he did not know how to interpret it.

 

[dregan]

This I will have to try! I was a chef for a number of years. Now it is like relearning recipes with new ingredients. I have a nutrition scale now so I am sure I will be playing with old recipes and making them tasty and low carb! I will share the good ones.

Hey Joyce? If you like breaded meat/poultry/fish once in awhile, we've found a tasty low-carb breading mix - you'll see us referring to "Brandie's Breading". It's equal parts of almond flour & wheat gluten, plus grated parmesan. The drippings make terrific country gravy too.

 

[Shanny]

This I will have to try! I was a chef for a number of years. Now it is like relearning recipes with new ingredients. I have a nutrition scale now so I am sure I will be playing with old recipes and making them tasty and low carb! I will share the good ones.

O happy day! We'll be counting on ye, chef D!