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I bet that is not news, the question is: Does coffee reduce blood sugar by increasing insulin sensitivity, which in some ways is good. Or by increasing my metabolism which is surely happening on some level. Or by telling my liver to stop releasing sugar.

If coffee reduces blood sugar by slowing my liver to release sugar, then I will not lose much weight by drinking coffee, not good.
 

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I bet that is not news, the question is: Does coffee reduce blood sugar by increasing insulin sensitivity, which in some ways is good. Or by increasing my metabolism which is surely happening on some level. Or by telling my liver to stop releasing sugar.

If coffee reduces blood sugar by slowing my liver to release sugar, then I will not lose much weight by drinking coffee, not good.
I'm not sure where you heard that coffee reduces blood sugar... Numerous studies have shown moderate amounts to have no significant impact on blood sugars.

However, coffee has actually been shown to decrease insulin-sensitivity (a bad thing) and caffeine itself has been shown to do this in multiple studies.

Caffeine, as you know, is a stimulant. It's been shown that when ingesting too much caffeine, glucagon and adrenaline work to release blood sugar stored in the liver - the result being higher blood glucose levels.
 
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I have never heard that either. In fact for many D's coffee will increase their bgs because drinking coffee may spike adrenaline and cortisol which then signal liver to dump glucose. Can you tell us where you heard that. I do drink coffee in the morning and that is when I have my highest bgs.
 

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I heard about from a local lawyer while swapping diabetes stories. I mentioned lower blood sugar from taking fish oil pills, and he said coffee.

Then my experience says he is correct. However I drink four cups of brewed coffee at a minimum in the morning. I have spent my entire life avoiding coffee before now.

I tried taking caffeine pills and it did not help my blood sugar very much. I must ask whether the coffee ingestion others mentioned was brewed, or instant, or decaff.
 

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Works, I guarantee it. For some Cinnamon does as well, but it takes a lot of Cinnamon.

Salmon oil works while also decreasing the coagulation factor, like some drugs used for heart patients.

Risk factors are too much bleeding, the oil going rancid, sometimes the fish oil has vitamins added for a preservative, which can be a risk to too much of those vitamins (toxic levels of lipid soluble vitamins.) Also fish oil can cause gas.

If you try it, let me know how it goes.
 

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I drink 2-3 cups of black coffee in the morning. I really wished it lowered bg. If I don't eat a small breakfast of fat and protein my bg will spike 40 points with just the coffee.
 

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Works, I guarantee it. For some Cinnamon does as well, but it takes a lot of Cinnamon.
Well I take fish oil myself and have since I was diagnosed, and I can't guarantee THAT. It does however, help keep my lipids in check.

You prob'ly should forward your findings to nih.gov
 

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I did not say coffee would solve diabetes, just it dramatically helps to reduce blood sugar. It will probably take more than three cups.

The salmon oil came from a medical doctor several years ago, not news.

I am not sure of the jwags statement. I do know that my dawning blood sugar will continue to climb if I do nothing, and can climb a bit if I exercise. Blood sugar climbing with exercise is not news either, altho it did surprise my local doc. Apparently exercising causes the liver to release sugar, if one has a lowered insulin level, the Blood glucose can continue to climb. If one now goes to exercise at a clinic, they do a BG reading and will sometimes refuse to allow the patient to exercise because of high glucose readings.
 

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I drink decaf with half and half between 8 and 8:30 at night and have found that my 10:30 pm BG is lower. It seems to work well but have only been trying it for a month. I also add cinnamon to a lot of things and it seems to help. I test 4 times a day. I always hate to say anything because next week everything could be different.lol
 

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I'm usually pretty objective and open-minded, but when this discussion about coffee comes up, I place both fingers in my ears and say "Na-na-na" really loud.

I love coffee. I'm drinking it, period. I changed a lot for diabetes and don't want to change that!

(Yeah, I talk big, I used to say the same thing about salt - I'd never stop putting lots on my food no matter what - but when I got a diagnosis of high blood pressure (a false one as it turned out), I stopped eating salt THE SAME NIGHT. Luckily, it was a false alarm and my BP is even lower than it was then after doing LCHF, so I still enjoy as much salt as I want.)

Coffee's definitely good for me - I can FEEL it.

Excuse me while I go make myself another double espresso with heavy cream (on my own machine, no less!)
 

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I did see a news story which indicated that the benefits of coffee do not extend to decaf. Then again, I am pretty sure that it was a study sponsored by a coffee company.

However there is a theory which says that the benefits from some foods come from flavonoids, and there are several, not all of which help with blood glucose. Flavonoid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Some say that the Flavonoid is not in instant or decaf. ?????
 

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I agree with smorgan...no coffee no brain no personality no fun no anything! Coffee is the last refuge!
 

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I won't give up coffee , either. Quite frankly I think coffee is a neutral. Those of us who suffer with DP have our highest bgs in the morning. Usually eating high fat will help in the morning. I do know some people who think the trick is adding Coconut Oil in their morning coffee to lower bgs.
 

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I did not say coffee would solve diabetes, just it dramatically helps to reduce blood sugar. It will probably take more than three cups.
I promise you that 99.9% of people drinking more than three cups of coffee in the morning are RAISING their glucose. This is a proven fact.

You may be the exception, but you're one of a VERY rare few.

The salmon oil came from a medical doctor several years ago, not news.
I'm guessing it's his opinion, not a fact, as there seems to be no research articles indicating the positive effects of fish oil of any kind on blood glucose control. Some articles are indicating the opposite.

FYI, medical doctors aren't infallible.

I am not sure of the jwags statement. I do know that my dawning blood sugar will continue to climb if I do nothing, and can climb a bit if I exercise. Blood sugar climbing with exercise is not news either, altho it did surprise my local doc. Apparently exercising causes the liver to release sugar, if one has a lowered insulin level, the Blood glucose can continue to climb. If one now goes to exercise at a clinic, they do a BG reading and will sometimes refuse to allow the patient to exercise because of high glucose readings.
Yes, many of us will have morning numbers that continue to rise if we don't "feed the machine". It just needs a little carb (less than 10g in many people's cases) with some fat and protein. For me I have 10-15g but I'm larger than the average person.

Exercise causes signals that the body is working and requires fuel. It will utilize blood glucose first if available, but in the absence of it, with moderate exercise the body will burn fat for it's ATP needs instead.
 
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Coffee not necessarily caffeine has a compound in it called Chlorogenic acid. CA will promote a GLP-1 release. GLP-1 is a gut hormone responsible for telling your liver to stop excreting glucose and signals your pancreas to release insulin. Coffee has mixed results with diabetics, some do not have a GLP-1 release problem, some do. Some will go low initially from the CA then rebound high. Me I get a fairly good GLP-1 release so coffee does effect me in a positive way by lowering my BG level. I used this information to determine that I had a GLP-1 release problem, (no pancreas response to food) and started taking Dandelion root and Milk thistle both of which contain CA. If you do not have a GLP-1 problem coffee will effect you entirely different than a person who does. Can't seem to find the article right off hand.
 

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FYI, medical doctors aren't infallible. True. and not a surprise


Yes, many of us will have morning numbers that continue to rise if we don't "feed the machine". It just needs a little carb (less than 10g in many people's cases) with some fat and protein. For me I have 10-15g but I'm larger than the average person.


I can only relate to my experience. I get up. I do a blood sugar. I walk on the treadmill for fifteen minutes. Eat nothing, no pills either. Blood sugar is noticably higher.

The fellow who wrote Carbohydrate Addiction was one those specialists with a room of very expensive equipment that would allow him to measure insulin levels. He has suggested that eating anything (even on small brussles sprout is enough) will trigger the body (if it has a working pancreas) to immediately release as much insulin as it estimates it needs for a full meal. A working pancrease can be conditioned to release smaller amounts of insulin by smaller meals. It is the high insulin which tell the body to store bg as fat, soon the process will lead to lowered BG levels, as all the BG has gone into fat and my body starts screaming at me to feed it. His idea is that the yo yo of high to low insulin is what causes carbohydrate addiction (which admittedly is not the relevant discussion for diabetics) and causes people both to overeat and their body to constantly store BG as fat instead of burn it.

If you are adding anything to your coffee that would resemble sugar, well then. That might be what causes your effect.
 

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Then if I want to lose weight coffee is not helpful in that it will cause the high insulin levels I am otherwise thinking I should avoid, while telling my liver that we will keep the fat.

Or am I misunderstanding what you said.
 

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I actually drink my first cup of coffee as soon as I get up. In that first cup I put 4g of sugar, 4 packets of art sweetener, heavy cream, and coconut oil. Along with the Chlorogenic acid the sugar and art sweetener combined will facilitate an even larger GLP-1 release. Your body has a hard time distinguishing between sugar and art sweetener when mixed together, so it reacts as though you have a higher carb intake than you actually ingested.

Result for me is I have a FBG between mid 70's and mid 80's, drink my coffee, eat a low carb breakfast some 30 minutes later, go for a 2 mile walk and my 1 hr PP is in the mid 80's. 2 hr PP is also in the mid to lower 80's. If I skip the coffee routine things are much different.

Now if I eat my fake oatmeal I have to watch my self for I will fall into the 70's at 2 hrs PP and will be hungry as purple stated above.
 
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