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If you know what you know about Diabetes. I told you I was a type Two. Then the moment you saw me you would realize I was an expert on Dieting. I am 110 pounds overweight.

Obviously, I know all about dieting.

Like Mark Twain said, "Giving up smoking is the easiest thing in the world. I know because I've done it thousands of times.”

However, I recently witnessed what could become a tragedy, that information might have been able to fix, and I could not tell anyone. So I thought I would tell all of you.

Before that, another time I failed to speak: I was a small child, and we were traveling across country, we stopped at a relatives. I went into the kitchen dining room.

My Uncle said, "I don't eat breakfast, makes me sleepy."
He came to the kitchen at lunch, drank some unsweetened Iced Tea, said; "I don't eat lunch, makes me sleepy. Sometimes I eat on Sunday, when I can go lay down."

Years later, my father went to work with a man who was skinny as a rail. Looked great by the standard one could never be skinny enough. His wife told me that her kids used to come to her and say, 'Show us a muscle."

One of the people my father worked with had a wife, who spent a lot of time in fifties Psychiatric Wards, Depressed. Over and over they gave her Electro Shock Therapy. She was still Depressed.

In all cases I realized they Diabetic. I wanted to tell the Uncle, and skinny man, they could eat several eggs for a meal, and both feel better, while not being much sleepy. The woman eventually was diagnosed a diabetic, but spent several years blind. If it makes you feel happy, her husband took care of her through all of it.

I recall once one of her, out of high school kids came over to our house. He was so depressed he was thinking of going into a Mental Institution, and following the route of his mother. I did not know what was going on, but my father told me to go into the house while he talked to the kid. I realized months later he was trying to talk the kid out of depression, and going into a mental institution thinking it would help.

I am now sure. He was a Diabetic. Curing his Diabetes, will not cure his Depression, but it is a necessary step.

Zig Ziglar was a great motivational speaker. Speaking for individuals, but his target audience was Salesmen, and company executives. If you get the opportunity to listen to some of his stuff, maybe borrowing through library, you may finish the rest of the day laughing. Zig used to have a phrase, "stinking thinking." Which might help with some of the rest. I want to be clear. I do not believe that one can cure oneself of actual Depression by positive thinking, or pulling oneself up by ones bootstraps. It takes professional help by an outsider. I used to share an apartment with a guy who was working on a graduate degree in psychology. He had a lot of stories. He said, "I couldn't tell you if you knew the name of the people involved, but what I tell you is pretty similiar to what is in the literature of a graduate student. Meaning, I am not violating anyone's privacy.

I will limit this by telling you what I witnessed once, I was in a Subway in our small town when an out of town high school girls baseketball team stopped in for their meal. About twenty girls with a coach, and I think a bus driver. Seeing me the girls started getting on one of the members of their team about being overweight, which in a group of high school skinny girls is not much weight. Their coach told them she herself weighed 140 in high school and then got up over two hundred in college, weight was a challenge for her. And no picking on anyone else.

The girl went to a table away from the others, and did not eat lunch. Hmm. My first thought was she either had Diabetes, or its precursor, Carbohydrate Addiction. I am not sure completely skipping lunch was a good idea. Of course, I would never speak with someone elses' kid, nor would I talk with their adult coach in the presence of others.

News story from a few days ago was about a young woman who had her leg amputated after a long period of doing what was termed, Keto Cycling.

I met a fellow on a forum, before Obama Care who had an unknown problem. He had very little energy. He lost his job. He went to see Doctors, who ran some tests, scratched their heads, and said, told referred him else where. He said the drive to doctors got to be a long way. He had says where he got up, got cleaned up, dressed, ate a bite, and had to go back to bed instead of going to see a doctor. It was very frustrating because when he was in high school, he was both very skinny, and very strong. He would go the weight room, and offer a bet to the big defensive lineman, several years older, any amount he had in his pocket he could out lift them. They would look at him, point to his skinny arms and legs, say, looks like you could barely lift the bar. He never lost.

A teacher found out about how he was taking money off other students, banned him from the weight room. He retaliation, he straddled the teachers Volkswage beetle on a train track. They had to get a Crane to lift the Volkswagen beetle off the tracks. He said, the teacher suspected him, but no one had seen him do it. Like the teacher said, "There is no way he could have done it without a crane, where did he get a crange?"

He finally got an appointment hundreds of miles away, at a major medical center with a medical school, and someone else drove him.

He had a really rare form of MS. When a teenager, his muscles used to take time off, and muscles which we routinely use very little of, would be used in his daily getting around. When he power lifted, all his muscles had trained up to be strong. The down side was that his power lifting came with the cost of pushing all the Potassium out of his muscle cells. When a cell dies, it is dead. After diagnoses, any time he came to a doctor, who knew about his MS, would do a blood test for Potassium Level. He can never recover his lost muscle cells.

Like the girl who did Keto Cycling, no sugar for the cell to burn. When a cell dies, it is dead.

I have read of some Keto Dieters who have massive weight loss. One of the most remarkable also admitted that his extreme Keto Dieting also was the major player in the loss of vision in one eye, the loss of a foot.

I can guess the teenage basketball player, if she really is a diabetic, may try to prove she can exercise her weight off by working out, cutting out meals. I can just see her on the court with other players saying, "What is wrong with you. It is like you have stopped trying. You can run faster than . . . " Like the Keto Cycler.

She might lose muscles and perhaps not know that the problem was a bit of diabetes, and some hard workouts, with limiting food not helping.

We can measure 'Blood Glucose," we must intuit Insulin levels. Realize we can have great Blood Sugars, but not enough Insulin to get some Glucose into muscle cells.

I spoke with a fellow who went to the National Diabetes Conference for doctors from several years back. One of the topics was not using A1C as a measure of the success of Diabetes. That is, they had determined that what caused a large part of the damage from Diabetes came from Blood Glucose going up and down a lot. If one's A1C is above 7, not really a problem if the real day to day average is about the same. I am doing badly by that standard.

In the last week or so, I have had an odd Blood Glucose issue. I have gotten up at midnight, feeling warm, sweating, my Blood Glucose by way of the CGM was 52, and the by CVS finger stick meter of 58. So I am eating a can of fruit to keep it from crashing further. Phonemena is driven by my taking Amoxicilin for a tooth problem. Frustrating when I need to lose weight.

I was talking to a weight lifter, some of these big time weight lifters can have a normal Blood Glucose, and become Hypoglycemic just by walking across a room.

I will post more another time.







 

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foodahollic, thank you for relating your many experiences with diabetes as it hides among even people you'd never suspect had it. Your post serves as an object lesson to check out bodily things when they seem really really off, and as a reminder that every one of our bodies responds differently to what's around us.

I look forward to seeing more of your posts. And I hope your tooth problem resolves so things can get closer back to normal for you.
 

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If you know what you know about Diabetes. I told you I was a type Two. Then the moment you saw me you would realize I was an expert on Dieting. I am 110 pounds overweight.

Obviously, I know all about dieting.

Like Mark Twain said, "Giving up smoking is the easiest thing in the world. I know because I've done it thousands of times.”

However, I recently witnessed what could become a tragedy, that information might have been able to fix, and I could not tell anyone. So I thought I would tell all of you.

Before that, another time I failed to speak: I was a small child, and we were traveling across country, we stopped at a relatives. I went into the kitchen dining room.

My Uncle said, "I don't eat breakfast, makes me sleepy."
He came to the kitchen at lunch, drank some unsweetened Iced Tea, said; "I don't eat lunch, makes me sleepy. Sometimes I eat on Sunday, when I can go lay down."

Years later, my father went to work with a man who was skinny as a rail. Looked great by the standard one could never be skinny enough. His wife told me that her kids used to come to her and say, 'Show us a muscle."

One of the people my father worked with had a wife, who spent a lot of time in fifties Psychiatric Wards, Depressed. Over and over they gave her Electro Shock Therapy. She was still Depressed.

In all cases I realized they Diabetic. I wanted to tell the Uncle, and skinny man, they could eat several eggs for a meal, and both feel better, while not being much sleepy. The woman eventually was diagnosed a diabetic, but spent several years blind. If it makes you feel happy, her husband took care of her through all of it.

I recall once one of her, out of high school kids came over to our house. He was so depressed he was thinking of going into a Mental Institution, and following the route of his mother. I did not know what was going on, but my father told me to go into the house while he talked to the kid. I realized months later he was trying to talk the kid out of depression, and going into a mental institution thinking it would help.

I am now sure. He was a Diabetic. Curing his Diabetes, will not cure his Depression, but it is a necessary step.

Zig Ziglar was a great motivational speaker. Speaking for individuals, but his target audience was Salesmen, and company executives. If you get the opportunity to listen to some of his stuff, maybe borrowing through library, you may finish the rest of the day laughing. Zig used to have a phrase, "stinking thinking." Which might help with some of the rest. I want to be clear. I do not believe that one can cure oneself of actual Depression by positive thinking, or pulling oneself up by ones bootstraps. It takes professional help by an outsider. I used to share an apartment with a guy who was working on a graduate degree in psychology. He had a lot of stories. He said, "I couldn't tell you if you knew the name of the people involved, but what I tell you is pretty similiar to what is in the literature of a graduate student. Meaning, I am not violating anyone's privacy.

I will limit this by telling you what I witnessed once, I was in a Subway in our small town when an out of town high school girls baseketball team stopped in for their meal. About twenty girls with a coach, and I think a bus driver. Seeing me the girls started getting on one of the members of their team about being overweight, which in a group of high school skinny girls is not much weight. Their coach told them she herself weighed 140 in high school and then got up over two hundred in college, weight was a challenge for her. And no picking on anyone else.

The girl went to a table away from the others, and did not eat lunch. Hmm. My first thought was she either had Diabetes, or its precursor, Carbohydrate Addiction. I am not sure completely skipping lunch was a good idea. Of course, I would never speak with someone elses' kid, nor would I talk with their adult coach in the presence of others.

News story from a few days ago was about a young woman who had her leg amputated after a long period of doing what was termed, Keto Cycling.

I met a fellow on a forum, before Obama Care who had an unknown problem. He had very little energy. He lost his job. He went to see Doctors, who ran some tests, scratched their heads, and said, told referred him else where. He said the drive to doctors got to be a long way. He had says where he got up, got cleaned up, dressed, ate a bite, and had to go back to bed instead of going to see a doctor. It was very frustrating because when he was in high school, he was both very skinny, and very strong. He would go the weight room, and offer a bet to the big defensive lineman, several years older, any amount he had in his pocket he could out lift them. They would look at him, point to his skinny arms and legs, say, looks like you could barely lift the bar. He never lost.

A teacher found out about how he was taking money off other students, banned him from the weight room. He retaliation, he straddled the teachers Volkswage beetle on a train track. They had to get a Crane to lift the Volkswagen beetle off the tracks. He said, the teacher suspected him, but no one had seen him do it. Like the teacher said, "There is no way he could have done it without a crane, where did he get a crange?"

He finally got an appointment hundreds of miles away, at a major medical center with a medical school, and someone else drove him.

He had a really rare form of MS. When a teenager, his muscles used to take time off, and muscles which we routinely use very little of, would be used in his daily getting around. When he power lifted, all his muscles had trained up to be strong. The down side was that his power lifting came with the cost of pushing all the Potassium out of his muscle cells. When a cell dies, it is dead. After diagnoses, any time he came to a doctor, who knew about his MS, would do a blood test for Potassium Level. He can never recover his lost muscle cells.

Like the girl who did Keto Cycling, no sugar for the cell to burn. When a cell dies, it is dead.

I have read of some Keto Dieters who have massive weight loss. One of the most remarkable also admitted that his extreme Keto Dieting also was the major player in the loss of vision in one eye, the loss of a foot.

I can guess the teenage basketball player, if she really is a diabetic, may try to prove she can exercise her weight off by working out, cutting out meals. I can just see her on the court with other players saying, "What is wrong with you. It is like you have stopped trying. You can run faster than . . . " Like the Keto Cycler.

She might lose muscles and perhaps not know that the problem was a bit of diabetes, and some hard workouts, with limiting food not helping.

We can measure 'Blood Glucose," we must intuit Insulin levels. Realize we can have great Blood Sugars, but not enough Insulin to get some Glucose into muscle cells.

I spoke with a fellow who went to the National Diabetes Conference for doctors from several years back. One of the topics was not using A1C as a measure of the success of Diabetes. That is, they had determined that what caused a large part of the damage from Diabetes came from Blood Glucose going up and down a lot. If one's A1C is above 7, not really a problem if the real day to day average is about the same. I am doing badly by that standard.

In the last week or so, I have had an odd Blood Glucose issue. I have gotten up at midnight, feeling warm, sweating, my Blood Glucose by way of the CGM was 52, and the by CVS finger stick meter of 58. So I am eating a can of fruit to keep it from crashing further. Phonemena is driven by my taking Amoxicilin for a tooth problem. Frustrating when I need to lose weight.

I was talking to a weight lifter, some of these big time weight lifters can have a normal Blood Glucose, and become Hypoglycemic just by walking across a room.

I will post more another time.
Thank you so much for sharing. A lot of it is things that we think but we don't say. Thanks again.
 

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Once I was on an elevator. A woman there told me she was a diabetic (it was a really slow elevator.) I admitted I was frustrated in that as a new Diabetic, I could not eat things I wanted. Worse, every time I walked into my drug store, the candy aisle would start calling to me; "Over Here. What you want is here. We want to go home with you."

I never knew food could talk before.

I asked her what her one advice about diabetes was.

She replied, "Don't eat Pie. I used to eat four pies in an evening, all by myself. I loved Pie.
Now I am blind. (actually Macular Degeneration.)

In learning about Diet. Fruit Pies are the combination of things we need to limit.


Starch. Sugar. Bread. It seems they multiple the effect of the other, and hold Blood Glucose up for a long time.

I still lust for the pies my grandmother made with fresh fruit, pure cane sugar and lard. For those outside the US. In the forties and fifties Lard was a high cholesterol oil used in baking and cooking. Actually whiteish, and took heat in a pan to melt it. And it made delicious pie crust.

I think I said before. I once talked to a fellow whose story was that he was a identical twin. His brother could eat starchy things, like a baked potato, and it barely affected his Blood Glucose, but could not eat two bites of something sugary, like ice cream. The brother I was talking too was the exact opposite. He could eat a bowl of ice cream, little rise in Blood Glucose, but " if he ate three french fries, he would have to look for the insulin needle."

The early advice I was given by Diabetes Educator was' "If you have any juice, throw it away. Get rid of it.

I have a disagreement with Diabetes Educators. They tell me I am wrong; "Chocolate is not one of the basic food groups."
 

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I have a disagreement with Diabetes Educators. They tell me I am wrong; "Chocolate is not one of the basic food groups."
I wish chocolate was one of the basic food groups! :D I can handle a few squares of really dark (85-90%) chocolate but milk chocolate and filled chocolates are right off for me.

I think many people here would agree with you that the standard advice given by dietitians and nutrition counselors to diabetics is quite short of helpful. Somewhat in their defense, they are working with a number of people who've just been told they have a chronic disease that will alter what they eat from now on.

Food is more than just sustenance. That pie is much more than a delicious combination of fruit and pastry. It's the occasions on which it was served, it's memories of grandma. Not only are people forgoing food they liked to eat; they also have to deal with what to do on those occasions when that food is served.

So I can see that nutrition experts believe they have to find a way to work foods like pie and ice cream and French fries and bread and margaritas into peoples' eating plans. I could buy it if diabetes treatment included tapering people off carbs over several weeks once they start treatment. Unfortunately that doesn't happen. Diabetics eat pretty much like they always did and soon have to turn to medication or insulin to keep up with it.

In the meantime, though, simple statements like "Don't eat pie" are easier to remember and helpful all at the same time. Thanks, foodahollic.
 

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I do see many science articles/reports that processed seed oils (sunflower, canola, soybean, peanut, etc.) are not good for humans.

I've never used lard but I'm not afraid of it in meats, so no issue there. We also use avocado oil and coconut oil in smaller amounts. Avocado oil can get pricey and coconut oil (I believe) has a distinct taste in food (and the higher-quality versions aren't cheap either).
 
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