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I had just enjoyed the pride of completing four perfect days. During that time, my BS's were all within the 80 to 120 ranges! Truly, an accomplishment for me, however, last night, before I went to bed, I felt the symptoms of a sugar low coming on.

So, I checked my numbers, and there it was, looking at me through my blurry eyes, a 67. Of course, that is nothing to worry about, and I took corrective measures by popping two fast acting glucose tablets, but as the minutes ticked off the clock, and I laid in bed waiting for the screen door vision and shaking to subside. I couldn't help but notice that now that scary form of tunnel vision had replaced the screen door vision. It appeared in the form of a dimly lit round circle. It was about 60 watts less than the bright circle people having a near death experience speak about! This caused me to quickly recheck my numbers. This time an ominous 41 stared directly into me a fading vision.

My wife, bless her soul, grabbed two bottles of fast acting liquid glucose from the refrigerator and brought them to me, because I could not stand up without feeling extremely faint! I drank the first, and after a few more minutes, it was evident I needed to drink the second one, which I did without hesitation. Waiting for another ten minutes to come off the clock, I was surprised to find that another test showed that I was only up to 44, so, I asked my wife to fix me a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, heavy on the jelly.

Fifteen minutes after devouring that jelly heavy sandwich, I had only climbed up to 65, and the symptoms continued to dog me, so I waited another ten minutes, and a recheck showed that I had dropped to 55.

Now I was concerned. I had never experienced this kind of roller coaster ride, so I quickly chomped on three more tablets. The symptoms finally started to let up, and I figured I had finally reached the top of the hill of normal numbers. One last check of my number revealed a comfortable 108, and I could finally concentrate on going to sleep!

The problem with that scary event was that my BS, in the morning had continued to climb, and my fasting BS was now at 247. Luckily, but my fast acting insulin with breakfast, and Metformin brought it down to 169 before my scheduled workout time. After a sixty minute workout, and three more glucose tablets, I tested at 112 for lunch.

So what was the problem, and the reason I am writing you, my fellow members for? Following a night of navigating stormy seas, and docking at a comfortable 112 prior to lunch, I felt like I had been run over by a semi. For the good part of this day, I have felt like a doormat. :boom:

Does this "dragged out, rundown" feeling happens to anyone else after experience a low and a rebound high spike? I knew I over corrected last night, but, with my numbers dropping faster than the stock market on a bad day, it really seemed like I had no other alternatives! :eek:

I'd appreciate your feedback and experiences.

Shalom,

Pastor Paul
 

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I hope you didn't get hold of your fast-acting insulin when you took your night dose last night. I think a low like that causes the train wreck feeling . . . the rebound high is just adding insult to injury. Sorry Paul . . . that was a rough night. :(
 

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Not This Time!

I hope you didn't get hold of your fast-acting insulin when you took your night dose last night. I think a low like that causes the train wreck feeling . . . the rebound high is just adding insult to injury. Sorry Paul . . . that was a rough night. :(
Thanks for the note of care! I didn't take my fast acting insulin. I've done that twice since going on two insulins 14 months ago. But, last night was one of those very rough nights, and I simply panicked when the numbers kept falling.

That is why I don't hve stocks. I'd be selling them all the time :D
 
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that sure is a scary experience Paul... I hope you're feeling much better now :D I hope you don't mind me asking.... do you have any digestive issues? If not, maybe you either ate or had something that slowed your digestive system down a bit? I'm only saying this as I too have problems controlling my BGLs. They can be either too low or too high. Today I seemed to be mainly on the high side most of the day. But I know what my problem is my stomach doesn't work properly. Also another thought is perhaps if you're on some other medication it could have interferred in some way? I have experienced quite a few hypos myself and they're not nice. We tend to over-compensate too and wind up high after our lows. My recent experience was being on a anti-depressant drug for my stomach and it exascerbated my hypo symptoms and made it drag out. A bit scary.
 

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That happens to me when I roller coaster. I feel like a blob of goo the next day. Even my brain feels like it's full of sludge. Not a good feeling. I spoke about it to one of my Dr.'s and she said she's heard a lot of other patients say that as well.

Does this "dragged out, rundown" feeling happens to anyone else after experience a low and a rebound high spike? I knew I over corrected last night, but, with my numbers dropping faster than the stock market on a bad day, it really seemed like I had no other alternatives! :eek:

I'd appreciate your feedback and experiences.

Shalom,

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I had just enjoyed the pride of completing four perfect days. During that time, my BS's were all within the 80 to 120 ranges! Truly, an accomplishment for me, however, last night, before I went to bed, I felt the symptoms of a sugar low coming on.

So, I checked my numbers, and there it was, looking at me through my blurry eyes, a 67. Of course, that is nothing to worry about, and I took corrective measures by popping two fast acting glucose tablets, but as the minutes ticked off the clock, and I laid in bed waiting for the screen door vision and shaking to subside. I couldn't help but notice that now that scary form of tunnel vision had replaced the screen door vision. It appeared in the form of a dimly lit round circle. It was about 60 watts less than the bright circle people having a near death experience speak about! This caused me to quickly recheck my numbers. This time an ominous 41 stared directly into me a fading vision.

My wife, bless her soul, grabbed two bottles of fast acting liquid glucose from the refrigerator and brought them to me, because I could not stand up without feeling extremely faint! I drank the first, and after a few more minutes, it was evident I needed to drink the second one, which I did without hesitation. Waiting for another ten minutes to come off the clock, I was surprised to find that another test showed that I was only up to 44, so, I asked my wife to fix me a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, heavy on the jelly.

Fifteen minutes after devouring that jelly heavy sandwich, I had only climbed up to 65, and the symptoms continued to dog me, so I waited another ten minutes, and a recheck showed that I had dropped to 55.

Now I was concerned. I had never experienced this kind of roller coaster ride, so I quickly chomped on three more tablets. The symptoms finally started to let up, and I figured I had finally reached the top of the hill of normal numbers. One last check of my number revealed a comfortable 108, and I could finally concentrate on going to sleep!

The problem with that scary event was that my BS, in the morning had continued to climb, and my fasting BS was now at 247. Luckily, but my fast acting insulin with breakfast, and Metformin brought it down to 169 before my scheduled workout time. After a sixty minute workout, and three more glucose tablets, I tested at 112 for lunch.

So what was the problem, and the reason I am writing you, my fellow members for? Following a night of navigating stormy seas, and docking at a comfortable 112 prior to lunch, I felt like I had been run over by a semi. For the good part of this day, I have felt like a doormat. :boom:

Does this "dragged out, rundown" feeling happens to anyone else after experience a low and a rebound high spike? I knew I over corrected last night, but, with my numbers dropping faster than the stock market on a bad day, it really seemed like I had no other alternatives! :eek:

I'd appreciate your feedback and experiences.

Shalom,

Pastor Paul
You did what you needed to do and you did good. Sometimes the lows take awhile to come up and it is so easy to over correct a low. I have rebound high when I over treated and your body takes some time to get back into a decent range. When I was sleeping until 4 in the afternoon and finding out why====because my blood sugar was 30, I felt terrible the next day. Always remember that we learn something when these things happen and we get a little smarter each time.:D
 

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Hello Paul, I am glad you have become alright now. Its not uncommon, though its scary . very low sugars results sometimes into very high sugars as body responds to the undue stress its being subjected. I feel very weak when I am low and its like swimming in the hightide, but I feel very energetic when I am 250. I was once at 450 and I had severe cunvulsions and had to be admitted into hospital before I ws about to slip into coma. At that time I ws on tablets and after this incident docs have put me on insulin. It is a near death experience really, and it will last sometime in both cases.
 

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My Neurologist believes I may be at the early stages of digestive neuropathy. Just one more complication I don't need, but will have to learn to live with. It sounds as though you are adjusting to that problem. My best wishes and sincere prayers for your sustained health.
 
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My Neurologist believes I may be at the early stages of digestive neuropathy. Just one more complication I don't need, but will have to learn to live with. It sounds as though you are adjusting to that problem. My best wishes and sincere prayers for your sustained health.
ah no way! that's why I was checking if you knew you had anything wrong with your digestive system. I just got diagnosed (as you've probably read) and I find it hard at times to get good control... obviously because my stomach isn't working like it should. That's why I'm asking lots of questions right now and I'm questioning everything, including the fat vs carbs debate. I'm just looking into how the stomach is supposed to work. The stuff that is supposed to make us better... turns out it can make us sick... man made I guess. My prayer too is we have good health all the days of our lives.
 

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Digestive neuropathy!!?? Really such a thing exixts? I thought neuropathy is only only physical and not systemic. But your doesnt look like that and I hope it will get sorted out fast...Best wishes for continued good health!
 

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Yes, it exists. I've been diagnosed as well. Evidently the Vagus nerve, which controls the stomach muscles, can become damaged from Diabetes and so the stomach doesn't work properly.
I had no idea a nerve controlled the stomach muscles but it does. From what I've read it's fairly common in Diabetics and "usually" occurs in people who have had Diabetes for some time and already have some other form of neuropathy.

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""The vagus nerve helps to regulate the heart beat, control muscle movement, keep a person breathing, and to transmit a variety of chemicals through the body. It is also responsible for keeping the digestive tract in working order, contracting the muscles of the stomach and intestines to help process food, and sending back information about what is being digested and what the body is getting out of it.""

Digestive neuropathy!!?? Really such a thing exixts? I thought neuropathy is only only physical and not systemic. But your doesnt look like that and I hope it will get sorted out fast...Best wishes for continued good health!
 
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Yes, it exists. I've been diagnosed as well. Evidently the Vagus nerve, which controls the stomach muscles, can become damaged from Diabetes and so the stomach doesn't work properly.
I had no idea a nerve controlled the stomach muscles but it does. From what I've read it's fairly common in Diabetics and "usually" occurs in people who have had Diabetes for some time and already have some other form of neuropathy.

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""The vagus nerve helps to regulate the heart beat, control muscle movement, keep a person breathing, and to transmit a variety of chemicals through the body. It is also responsible for keeping the digestive tract in working order, contracting the muscles of the stomach and intestines to help process food, and sending back information about what is being digested and what the body is getting out of it.""
I didn't know that...that's interesting... thanks Amy :D Mind you I haven't really looked into nerve function. Maybe that is playing a part with my condition too? GI specialist said my nerves and muscles in my stomach not working properly... causing the constant dyspepsia. I've had diabetes over 12 years now... but I don't have neuropathy.
 

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It kinda stands to reason that if glycated hemoglobin can damage peripheral nerves as it courses its way through every blood vessel in the body, it can damage all the other nerves too . . . nerves of the autonomic nervous system like the vagus nerve which, as Amy says, control all these other major functions over which we have no voluntary control.

So in a way it IS neuropathy - it just isn't the meaning we usually connect with that word.

We need to study up on the autonomous nervous system & more specifically, the sympathetic & parasympathetic nervous systems.
 

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It's nasty. Your stomach holds food, in my case I was belching up whatever I had for dinner little chunks of it for days, causing terrible horrible bloating sickening indigestion. Sometimes the only relief was to vomit and get it out of my stomach that way. I hear it can be much worse.
I like to think they made the right diagnosis.
I do know that the meds stopped those symptoms. My stomach is still sluggish to empty, I can feel it, but I'm not sick all the time with it.
 
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It's nasty. Your stomach holds food, in my case I was belching up whatever I had for dinner little chunks of it for days, causing terrible horrible bloating sickening indigestion. Sometimes the only relief was to vomit and get it out of my stomach that way. I hear it can be much worse.
I like to think they made the right diagnosis.
I do know that the meds stopped those symptoms. My stomach is still sluggish to empty, I can feel it, but I'm not sick all the time with it.
well my specialist hasn't proven my stomach holds food... although he reckons that it goes with having functional dyspepsia that it's likely my stomach is emptying either too slowly or too quickly... or even both. I reckon personally it's a bit of both just by how I feel. Today for example I had that horrible nauseated feeling... even though I'm on motilium. I think I may have felt better if I had vomited actually. Although I think it was the gas getting trapped higher in my stomach that was doing it to me... my stomach is always hard as a rock... full of gas. I've just come off anti-depressant and I think I've noticed slight difference already (worse)... so I have to wait 2 weeks before I can start different type of anti-depressant that he's given me (his instructions). I'm on 80mg nexium at the moment, and 30mg motilium... but I'm only remembering to take 20mg (keep missing a dose).
@Shanny - yes I agree we could all do with learning a bit more about it... even the doctors are still researching it and haven't got an answer as yet. The drugs on the market aren't catered for it really.
 

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onlymep with me, from what I understand, it's the food that's trapped in my upper gut giving me that painful acid and distended feeling all the time. If it doesn't move on like it's supposed to it just lays in there churning. The stomach's throwing everything at it trying to break it down. One of the other symptoms I was having and I see many folk here complaining about was burping...all the time. It was embarrassing as all get out.
Drink water...burp
breath.....burp
eat....you get the idea

Once the damage is done it can't be reversed all they can do is manage the symptoms but like I said at least with the meds I don't have to be sick with it.

In fact while I was typing this a little piece of apple revisited me. I had that apple yesterday around 6 pm. It's Still in my stomach.


well my specialist hasn't proven my stomach holds food... although he reckons that it goes with having functional dyspepsia that it's likely my stomach is emptying either too slowly or too quickly... or even both. I reckon personally it's a bit of both just by how I feel. Today for example I had that horrible nauseated feeling... even though I'm on motilium. I think I may have felt better if I had vomited actually. Although I think it was the gas getting trapped higher in my stomach that was doing it to me... my stomach is always hard as a rock... full of gas. I've just come off anti-depressant and I think I've noticed slight difference already (worse)... so I have to wait 2 weeks before I can start different type of anti-depressant that he's given me (his instructions). I'm on 80mg nexium at the moment, and 30mg motilium... but I'm only remembering to take 20mg (keep missing a dose).
@Shanny - yes I agree we could all do with learning a bit more about it... even the doctors are still researching it and haven't got an answer as yet. The drugs on the market aren't catered for it really.
 
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onlymep with me, from what I understand, it's the food that's trapped in my upper gut giving me that painful acid and distended feeling all the time. If it doesn't move on like it's supposed to it just lays in there churning. The stomach's throwing everything at it trying to break it down. One of the other symptoms I was having and I see many folk here complaining about was burping...all the time. It was embarrassing as all get out.
Drink water...burp
breath.....burp
eat....you get the idea

Once the damage is done it can't be reversed all they can do is manage the symptoms but like I said at least with the meds I don't have to be sick with it.

In fact while I was typing this a little piece of apple revisited me. I had that apple yesterday around 6 pm. It's Still in my stomach.
oh that sounds ghastly getting yesterdays food coming back up. I know exactly what you mean by burping... I burp constantly. I feel like a big air balloon too. I get a bit more self conscious about it these days... so embarrassed. Today I was nauseated for about 2/3's of the day. Not very comfortable stomach disorders is it... you would know exactly what I'm going through by the sounds of things. Although I haven't brought up food... I do get acid in the mouth occasionally... even though I'm on the meds for it. I've been off meds in the past and it gets really bad... so better being on them I suppose. But they don't seem to do that much for the burping. :(
 

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wow! there's whole lots of new meanings to the words in diabetis. I am already exhausted..walking has helped me esp after eating something, heavy or light doest'nt matter, even if you walked around the room for few min after eating you can reduce the stomach problems. I walk three times daily, in the early hrs ,afternoon(windowshoping is a gud excuse!)and in the night after dinner. I sleep like a baby after that and acidity has comedown too.
 
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