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Red meat consumption and risk of type 2 diabetes: 3 cohorts of US adults and an updated meta-analysis...
American Journal of Clinical Nutrition

An Pan, Qi Sun, Adam M Bernstein, Matthias B Schulze, JoAnn E Manson, Walter C Willett, and Frank B Hu


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Background: The relation between consumption of different types of red meats and risk of type 2 diabetes (T2D) remains uncertain.

Objective: We evaluated the association between unprocessed and processed red meat consumption and incident T2D in US adults.

Design: We followed 37,083 men in the Health Professionals Follow-Up Study (1986–2006), 79,570 women in the Nurses’ Health Study I (1980–2008), and 87,504 women in the Nurses’ Health Study II (1991–2005). Diet was assessed by validated food-frequency questionnaires, and data were updated every 4 y. Incident T2D was confirmed by a validated supplementary questionnaire.

Results: During 4,033,322 person-years of follow-up, we documented 13,759 incident T2D cases. After adjustment for age, BMI, and other lifestyle and dietary risk factors, both unprocessed and processed red meat intakes were positively associated with T2D risk in each cohort (all P-trend <0.001). The pooled HRs (95% CIs) for a one serving/d increase of unprocessed, processed, and total red meat consumption were 1.12 (1.08, 1.16), 1.32 (1.25, 1.40), and 1.14 (1.10, 1.18), respectively. The results were confirmed by a meta-analysis (442,101 participants and 28,228 diabetes cases): the RRs (95% CIs) were 1.19 (1.04, 1.37) and 1.51 (1.25, 1.83) for 100 g of unprocessed red meat and for 50 g of unprocessed red meat, respectively. We estimated that substitutions of one serving of nuts, low-fat dairy, and whole grains per day for one serving of red meat per day were associated with a 16–35% lower risk of T2D.

Conclusion: Our results suggest that red meat consumption, particularly processed red meat, is associated with an increased risk of T2D.

Received April 28, 2011.
Accepted July 12, 2011.
 

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So lets think about this... for how many years have we been warned about the dangers of red meat? So what does that imply about people who do eat red meat (especially processed meat)... despite the advice? What are they eating along with the red meat?
 

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Again, so much fun digging through meta studies and pseudo-science. The fact that they lump unprocessed meat with processed invalidated the whole study.

With processed meat, you have additives like glucose, fructose, nitrates, preservatives, "natural flavor," and other Franken-foods. Heck, most processed meats have cellulose - which is wood pulp.

I can see how that lumps in with a nice slab of ribeye - grass-fed meat. They are totally the same thing.

It's actually boring how many times this "study" pops up. I like good science, thank you very much!
 

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Yeah, I commented! The headline did not match the article -- it was about processed meats, for cryin out loud. I did not tell them I am a non-meat eater, maybe I shoulda!
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ah huh *nods* you know we are used to the media tearing apart so-called fad diets...but this is different this is a way of life we have to live to survive...it's difficult enough for diabetics to battle through the mountains of erroneous data passed through specialists and doctors and nurses...but to then have to sift through nearly all the data we're presented with to determine what to eat!

most of us are strong people and we fight to get what we need...my heart goes out to people that are more frail...for example a friend's mother is a diabetic and has been ever so sick...in the late 70s and scared...too scared to go against the doctor's orders which are NO FAT...my friend is a scientist and cannot convince her that she needs fat...too much media and 'studies' backing it up...

/rant over
 
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Deena, it's the effects on good, trusting people like your friend's mom, and most of the folks in my diabetes class, that make me SO ANGRY about all the steaming piles of misinformation that are shoved at us.
 

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Deena, it's the effects on good, trusting people like your friend's mom, and most of the folks in my diabetes class, that make me SO ANGRY about all the steaming piles of misinformation that are shoved at us.
for sure...I used to get so upset in the waiting room of the hospital I had to go to to see the endo...not only were some people very old...some spoke no English and those that could of those some couldn't even read...people are used to following authority figures and more so when it's a serious health issue...I don't like helpless people being blind sided and terrified...
 

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The study MAY or may not be perfectly valid -- the headline was my gripe. It appeared the study focused solely on processed meats and nitrites, and that is fine. They could well increase the risk of T2D. But the haedline was a sweeping overgeneralization, dreamed up by an amateur.
 

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for sure..to sell papers lol
 

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When will people GET IT.

Its Carbs that cause obesity (especially fructose)
Its obesity that causes (type 2) Diabetes.

Fat (natural unprocessed) does not make you fat (and clog arteries)
Lies, damned lies, statistics, then meta studies,(especially epidemiological ones).

Follow the money (research "scientists" [and Doctors]do)
Vested interests. BIG Pharmaceuticals, BIG industrial "food", BIG medical dogma that loves the emperors new cloths.rry

Read Trick and Treat by Barry Groves

EVERY thing that you have been indoctrinated to believe about food is plain wrong. Just follow that money to find out why.
 

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The study MAY or may not be perfectly valid -- the headline was my gripe. It appeared the study focused solely on processed meats and nitrites, and that is fine. They could well increase the risk of T2D. But the haedline was a sweeping overgeneralization, dreamed up by an amateur.
The one thing you have to remember is that the study is also based on "validated food questionnaires." Then, in the instances of T2 Diabetes, confirmed by a "validated supplementary questionnaire.."

So, what that means is, based on a questionnaire of what they ate over a period of time before, the meta-analysis spits out that red meat (whether it's processed or not) increased the risk of T2 diabetes.

Am I the only one that would ask for a control group, maybe even a study that erased all the variables? Did they eat carbs with the red meat? How about rice, milk, or cream? What combinations with the red meat led to the T2?

Instead, the whole list is dumbed down to say - yep - red meat is the devil.

Sorry, I just need a little more proof than that. I believe that processed meats aren't great for you, but I would eat them over processed grains ANY day.
 

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Not to mention that a good portion of T2D are overweight and obese to begin with, so they eat MORE of everything, including red meat, and as others have said, what they eat WITH the red meat, the quality of it, etc. Totally pseudo-science.

My poor mother starves herself, eating only low-fat, fat-free, low-calorie, no salt foods...most of them processed and full of carbs. She's had two heart attacks, and when she finally quit smoking she gained 20lbs... and she's reduced her food intake to starvation levels in order to try to get the weight off...and it's not coming off. I've talked to her until I'm blue in the face. My main reason for trying to convince her, is because she's in charge of my dad's food and he NEEDS to eat a high-fat / low-carb diet...he'd be so much healthier if he did. She was recently put on all the standard meds for a heart patient too and they've just totally wreaked havoc on her body. She's never had high blood pressure in her life until they put her on precautionary blood pressure meds b/c she's had a heart attack...and now she gets high blood pressure readings. The same with cholesterol...they put her on a precautionary medication and her cholesterol went UP.

GAH!!!!!!! I could vent and vent and vent.
 

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Honestly, this is old news. You can link practically any disease to too much red meat, why should diabetes be any different?

Though in recent news of things that cause diabetes, has anyone else read the article about a chemical in most children's bottles being linked to causing heart disease and diabetes?

Slightly different, but interesting. I don't know how much to believe it though.

I see if I can find the link.
 

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My poor mother starves herself, eating only low-fat, fat-free, low-calorie, no salt foods...most of them processed and full of carbs.
Can only imagine how frustrating this is for you to see, and not be able to do anything about.

Conventional un-wisdom is so entrenched that unless one is online reading the challenges to what we were taught over and over, seeing more and more evidence, it would be tough to believe eating so much fat would be healthy. I don't think I could've gotten there either.

And, had it not been for the very obvious damaging advice of the ADA, seeing how information flows out of there and why, and the results of that bad advice not being invisible (meters tell much!) - I'm not sure I'd be as receptive as I am to accepting challenges to other mainstream teachings.

Even so, I struggle with cholesterol/heart disease - related issues.

It's complex, and for someone like your mom who isn't doing her own research, impossibly so.
 

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Can only imagine how frustrating this is for you to see, and not be able to do anything about.

Conventional un-wisdom is so entrenched that unless one is online reading the challenges to what we were taught over and over, seeing more and more evidence, it would be tough to believe eating so much fat would be healthy. I don't think I could've gotten there either.

And, had it not been for the very obvious damaging advice of the ADA, seeing how information flows out of there and why, and the results of that bad advice not being invisible (meters tell much!) - I'm not sure I'd be as receptive as I am to accepting challenges to other mainstream teachings.

Even so, I struggle with cholesterol/heart disease - related issues.

It's complex, and for someone like your mom who isn't doing her own research, impossibly so.
It is, but I also know that it's partially my fault. I've preached this way of eating for years... but I've never stuck to it for any length of time. I've done low-carb on and off for 8 years. So, she hears what I'm saying... but she still sees that I'm obese ... then she looks at what she is eating and she's still skinny... so yeah... I can see it from her viewpoint. Not only have the doctors always told her low fat, low sodium, low calories... but I can't prove to her that it works, unless I do it, lose all the weight, and be 100% healthy.

She had a triple bypass when I was 15... she had another heart "event" last year. She doesn't have clogged arteries... but heart disease that seems to be hereditary. I can't remember the exact diagnosis.

Even still... she has starved her body her entire life, and I just want her to nourish it. But she's 65 and I'm not going to change her mind.

All I can do is stick to this lifestyle and prove to her that it works.
 

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Yes, a single voice going up against all that life-long teaching is impossible stuff, even when we can serve as an example.

I've a friend who's diabetic, obese, heart disease, COPD and with a significant diabetes belly. She goes by ADA guidelines.

As I was learning online and in this forum, putting non-ADA advice into practice and getting results (dropping weight and A1C), I enthusiastically (and naively) shared all the info I was getting and reported my ongoing results. I must've been unintentionally obnoxious to listen to.

In the end I think she was more annoyed than enlightened; I got the hint. When she complained about her weight and belly discomfort, I talked about the brilliance of low-carb as I sat in front of her with the evidence of what it was doing for me. She said, "I'm not trying to be negative, but I have metabolic syndrome."

At the time I didn't even know what that was, but when I googled was able to tell her "Uh - we all do! This is meant to address it, not be defeated by it."

Doesn't matter. As you say, all we can do is be an example, the rest is up to them. And something tells me you're on your way to being just that.
 
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