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Hi, this is my first post. Thanks to diabetesforum/com for providing free forums for asking questions.

Here is a general log of my sugar for the past few days. I just switched to insulin (Humalog and Lantus) and am not getting satisfactory results especially during the evening and in the morning. I was prescribed 4 units of humalog at meals and 10 units of lantus at bedtime (10 PM eastern).

Can anyone figure out what I'm doing wrong? I've even tried doubling to 8 units of humalog recently but didn't see any difference in the sugar level. I am injecting with 8mm needles into my stomach, I heard injecting into your arm gives more bang from the insulin.
Any advice would be nice. Thanks!

Jan 21 2009. 8:20PM > finish supper, 4 units/humalog.
Jan 21 2009. 10:00PM> 10 units/lantus.
Jan 21 2009. 10:20PM> 13.1 < 2 hours after supper
Jan 22 2009. 9:15AM > 10.6 < fasting
Jan 22 2009. 9:30AM > breakfast finished, 4 units/humalog.
Jan 22 2009. 11:30AM> 6.2 < 2 hours after breakfast
Jan 22 2009. 2:20PM > finish lunch, 4 units/humalog.
Jan 22 2009. 4:20PM > 9.7 < 2 hours after lunch
Jan 22 2009. 8:20PM > finish supper, 4 units humalog.
jan 22 2009. 10:00PM> 10 units/lantus.
jan 22 2009. 10:20PM> 13.1 < 2 hours after supper
Jan 23 2009. 9:15AM > 13.3 < fasting
Jan 23 2009. 9:30PM > breakfast finished, 4 units/humalog.
Jan 23 2009. 1:10PM > 7.1 < 4 hours after breakfast (late due to grocery shopping)
Jan 23 2009. 2:30PM > lunch finished, 4 units/humalog.
Jan 23 2009. 4:30PM > 10.9 < 2 hours after lunch
Jan 23 2009. 10:00PM> 10 units/lantus
Jan 23 2009. 10:20PM> 8.2 < 2 hours after supper
Jan 24 2009. 8:35AM > 11.2 < fasting
Jan 24 2009. 9:30AM > breakfast finished, 4 units/humalog.
Jan 24 2009. 11:25AM> 8.7 < 2 hours after breakfast
Jan 24 2009. 2:30PM > lunch finished, 4 units/humalog.
Jan 24 2009. 4:20PM > 10.4 < 2 hours after lunch
Jan 24 2009. 8:20PM > finished supper, 4 units/humalog.
Jan 24 2009. 10:05PM> 10 units/lantus
Jan 24 2009. 10:20PM> 12.4 < 2 hours after supper
Jan 25 2009. 8:50AM > 12.7 < 20 minutes after tea
Jan 25 2009. 9:20AM > breakfast finished, 4 units/humalog.
Jan 25 2009. 11:20AM> 10.1 < 2 hours after breakfast
Jan 25 2009. 2:00PM > 7.5 /lunch/ 6 units humalog.
Jan 25 2009. 4:30PM > 10.1
Jan 25 2009. 8:30PM > finished supper/9.7/7 units humalog.
Jan 25 2009. 10:10PM> 13.1, lantus 10 units.
Jan 26 2009. 9:30AM > 12.1/breakfast finished/humalog 6 units.
Jan 26 2009. 11:40AM> 9.0
Jan 26 2009. 1:55 PM> 7.4
Jan 26 2009. 2:00 PM> lunch finished, 8 units/humalog.
Jan 26 2009. 4:00 PM> 13.0
Jan 26 2009. 4:30 PM> 13.0
Jan 26 2009. 5:00 PM> 10.4
Jan 26 2009. 7:00 PM> 10.4
 

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Hello, welcome to our community! Do you use "carb counting" and determine your Humalog dosages by knowing how many carbs you are going to eat? I had many highs before using carb counting but after determining my dosages in this way my control improved very much. I started having A1c's below 6.0 due to carb counting. If you don't use carb counting then a diabetes educator and a dietitian can help you with it and get you started. I use a 1:6 ratio for most of the day. That means I take 1 unit of insulin for every 6 carbs I eat. If I eat a 42 carb meal then I need 7 units of insulin. I also use insulin before snacks in the same way. In your case you would need a different ratio for evenings to give you lower blood sugar at that time of day.

It sounds like you are also having trouble with "Dawn Phenomenon". Here is a link that might help you with that high fasting sugar level in the morning.

Dawn Phenomenon

Richard
 

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Ok so I had a chat with my diabetes educator and she said that I'm supposed to monitor sugar before meals and at bedtime. Also I'm supposed to inject before eating not after.

I'll try this out for a few days and post an update.

Thanks for the response :)
 

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How do you take your injections as you should take your bolus before you eat, Not after. ;) With your basel, do you just take the one shot in one day?
 

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I need some latest information on diabetes I am diabetes typ 2 and in very good control i using amryl 1mg from last 5years in winter i use 0.5 in morning and 0.5 in evening and summer i just use0.5 only in morning some time not every day.
 

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> Anthill

Thanks for your help. I inject now 4 times in a day, 4 units / humalog at meals and 12 units lantus at 10PM.
Since I started injecting before meals my sugar has become much closer to target levels, some slight adjustments might be needed.
Yesterday I had a poutine with 10 units humalog (potatoes and gravy) and my sugar was 7.2 just before my next meal (which is quite acceptable for me). At bedtime it was 9.4 and this morning before breakfast was 8.3.

I inject into my stomach, and I've heard that injecting to a part of the body with less fat has a stronger effect, is this true?


fehmida> If your sugar is in good control, what information would you possibly need? Please provide some details as to what you're looking for.

Thanks all!
 

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Also, does anyone have any idea how much carbs are in white rice, and should I drastically increase my humalog shot to compensate (like for the poutine yesterday) when I have it?
 

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I suggest that you buy a copy of the "Calorie King". It gives the carb content for almost everything you eat. I bought mine from amazon.com.
 

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Also, does anyone have any idea how much carbs are in white rice, and should I drastically increase my humalog shot to compensate (like for the poutine yesterday) when I have it?
Yes rice is slow and high carb!!! :( But then I can see 100 Grammes will have 80 Grammes of carbs in it. But jsingh, look at carbs as energy. So have your carbs and go and do something phyiscal as that's another way to lower the BG. ;):D
 

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Hi Everyone

I'm beyond frustrated now and am ready to throw away all these needles because I feel the shots are not doing anything.:mad:

Lately I have been bumping up my shots of humalog (now to about 20+) and lantus is now at 24 units.

My morning is always high around 9-10 (probably around 160-180 for the US), lunch around 7-8 (130-150) and supper/dinner is usually 9-10 (same around breakfast).

I'm close to around 290 or possibly 300 pounds, and I am 6 feet tall. I get almost no exercise because I sit in front of a computer all day (helpdesk/NOC) which takes up my entire day and when I'm home I have to take care of my son who's about a year old now.

Am I doing something wrong, or am I ultra insulin resistant?
Any suggestions???
 

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Am I doing something wrong, or am I ultra insulin resistant?
Any suggestions???
Do you still take Metaformin or simular? Fat has the ability to slow insulin activity and the job that you have is not that good either as I would look at ways to put in some walking as that will get the insulin to work, Wile you are doing your walking is to have with you fast acting carbs like lollies or jelly beans so that you don't go into a low. :eek:
 

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Hi guys

Here's an update.
I think I found my ideal level for insulin which is around 42 units of Lantus at 10PM and 30-35 units of humalog at meals.

But there is a problem, I believe I am experiencing this issue known as the dawn phenomenon.

My lunchtime reading is usually around 5-6, supper is usually around the same (sometimes it goes up to 6.8, just below 7) and bedtime (midnight) is usually around 5.

Last night I was awake for quite some time, I had to go to the washroom around 2AM so I decided to check my blood sugar (because I was sweating slightly and suspected a hypo). It was around 4.8, so I had a piece of candy and went back to bed. I usually have this slight sweating at night and I suspect they are all mild hypos. however in the morning it shoots way up to around 9-10, and this morning it was 11.2.

From what I know the dawn phenomenon is where the kidney/liver (not sure which one) dumps glucose in the the bloodstream while you're sleeping.

Is there a way to deal with this problem?
 

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Here is a good link on DP (dawn phenomenon).

Dawn Phenomenon

Give it a try and let us know if it helps!

Richard
 

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Jsingh, you MUST exercise and limit your carb intake. You are way overweight and if you keep going you will develop heart disease amongst other things. Have lean protein and fill half your plate up with a lot of vegetables. Drink a lot of water. No soda or juice or sweetened vitamin waters. You will not only lower your BG, but you'll lose weight and feel much better. Have a quarter cup of brown rice once in a while. Stay away from white rice. Get yourself an exercise video and start moving. Or just put on the radio and dance to the music. Dance with your son...I'm sure he'd love it.
 

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Hey Rosebud & Richard, Good posting!!! :D

Yes exercise is the key ingredient to loose weight and you will feel great too. Rosebud, Is looking for quality carbohydrates and less fat will fuel you to have exercise more confidently?
 

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Hi Peter! It is beginning to get warm here in New York. Is the weather there in Australia getting cooler now? Do you see any snow in your winters?
 

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Not yet Richard plus we don't see snow here but if you go inland you may see some but you have to be well into winter to get snow here. I can still see some summer left, ;)
 

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Hi, this is my first post. Thanks to diabetesforum/com for providing free forums for asking questions.

Here is a general log of my sugar for the past few days. I just switched to insulin (Humalog and Lantus) and am not getting satisfactory results especially during the evening and in the morning. I was prescribed 4 units of humalog at meals and 10 units of lantus at bedtime (10 PM eastern).

Can anyone figure out what I'm doing wrong? I've even tried doubling to 8 units of humalog recently but didn't see any difference in the sugar level. I am injecting with 8mm needles into my stomach, I heard injecting into your arm gives more bang from the insulin.
Any advice would be nice. Thanks!

Jan 21 2009. 8:20PM > finish supper, 4 units/humalog.
Jan 21 2009. 10:00PM> 10 units/lantus.
Jan 21 2009. 10:20PM> 13.1 < 2 hours after supper
Jan 22 2009. 9:15AM > 10.6 < fasting
Jan 22 2009. 9:30AM > breakfast finished, 4 units/humalog.
Jan 22 2009. 11:30AM> 6.2 < 2 hours after breakfast
Jan 22 2009. 2:20PM > finish lunch, 4 units/humalog.
Jan 22 2009. 4:20PM > 9.7 < 2 hours after lunch
Jan 22 2009. 8:20PM > finish supper, 4 units humalog.
jan 22 2009. 10:00PM> 10 units/lantus.
jan 22 2009. 10:20PM> 13.1 < 2 hours after supper
Jan 23 2009. 9:15AM > 13.3 < fasting
Jan 23 2009. 9:30PM > breakfast finished, 4 units/humalog.
Jan 23 2009. 1:10PM > 7.1 < 4 hours after breakfast (late due to grocery shopping)
Jan 23 2009. 2:30PM > lunch finished, 4 units/humalog.
Jan 23 2009. 4:30PM > 10.9 < 2 hours after lunch
Jan 23 2009. 10:00PM> 10 units/lantus
Jan 23 2009. 10:20PM> 8.2 < 2 hours after supper
Jan 24 2009. 8:35AM > 11.2 < fasting
Jan 24 2009. 9:30AM > breakfast finished, 4 units/humalog.
Jan 24 2009. 11:25AM> 8.7 < 2 hours after breakfast
Jan 24 2009. 2:30PM > lunch finished, 4 units/humalog.
Jan 24 2009. 4:20PM > 10.4 < 2 hours after lunch
Jan 24 2009. 8:20PM > finished supper, 4 units/humalog.
Jan 24 2009. 10:05PM> 10 units/lantus
Jan 24 2009. 10:20PM> 12.4 < 2 hours after supper
Jan 25 2009. 8:50AM > 12.7 < 20 minutes after tea
Jan 25 2009. 9:20AM > breakfast finished, 4 units/humalog.
Jan 25 2009. 11:20AM> 10.1 < 2 hours after breakfast
Jan 25 2009. 2:00PM > 7.5 /lunch/ 6 units humalog.
Jan 25 2009. 4:30PM > 10.1
Jan 25 2009. 8:30PM > finished supper/9.7/7 units humalog.
Jan 25 2009. 10:10PM> 13.1, lantus 10 units.
Jan 26 2009. 9:30AM > 12.1/breakfast finished/humalog 6 units.
Jan 26 2009. 11:40AM> 9.0
Jan 26 2009. 1:55 PM> 7.4
Jan 26 2009. 2:00 PM> lunch finished, 8 units/humalog.
Jan 26 2009. 4:00 PM> 13.0
Jan 26 2009. 4:30 PM> 13.0
Jan 26 2009. 5:00 PM> 10.4
Jan 26 2009. 7:00 PM> 10.4
hello i am type one and i am on humalog and lantus. i am 14 and are you on a ratio for your insulin? i take more than that and i have had diabetes for over a year and take 24 units of lantus at night. take to your doc. about your ratio. and if i read right it said you fasted and that is not good. it tells your liver ( i think it is the liver 90% sure it is)
to put out sugar to compensate. so i used to not eat like b-fast and that makes me go high.if you have eny more help or ?'s E-mail me . :D
 
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