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How to lower glucose w/out insulin?

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Hi all.

I'm new to this, sort of. My daughter was showing many symptoms of diabetes (HUGE family history, so I recognized it), so we started testing. I've been keeping her numbers in an Excel file until we visit the pediatric endocrinologist in a couple of months. Meanwhile, wondering about your opinions.

Fasting average is 100.
1 hour post-meal average is 200.
2 hour post-meal average is 160.

She gets blurred vision over 160, often after meals. Headaches, leg pain, night sweats, always hungry and eats like she has a hollow leg but rail thin. Over 180 and she feels clammy and nauseated. We've learned she can't eat pretzels, her glucose shoots over 200 every time she has them.

She is 8 and eats probably 75% "whole foods" and organic diet. No soda. No fast food. No trans fat. We cook 99% of what we eat. Lots of fruits and veggies and water. She's very active, otherwise healthy. I'm kinda nuts about what goes into our bodies with my family history of diabetes and heart disease, early onset.

What can I do for her when her glucose gets to the 200 range and she starts feeling ill? Are there natural ways to lower it?

Thanks in advance.
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Yes, there are natural ways to lower it, and we told you about them in your previous thread - here and here. You'll have to let go of the belief that whole grains, milk & fruit are good for her. Those are the things that are sending her way too high. Not saying they aren't part of a healthy diet - they just aren't part of HER healthy diet anymore, if it turns out she's diabetic.

Stay with the organic, of course, but lose the grains of all kinds - wheat, corn, oats, rice - and anything MADE with grains, even whole grains. This is serious, and these are the worst offenders for diabetics. If she's a big milk drinker, lose the milk too - it's loaded with lactose.

Keep the high-fiber vegetables, and for fruits she could have avocado, eggplant or possibly tomato, if it doesn't spike her. If berries don't spike her, try raspberries, blackberries, blueberries - even strawberries. Pour a little heavy cream on them to get used to using fats. If she's accustomed to milk, use cream. Include as much natural fat in her diet as you can - this will provide the energy that she's been getting from carbs - butter on the hot veggies, etc. Heavy cream, full fat sour cream, full fat mayo, full fat yogurt. These are good for diabetics, and I agree with Ann that she's prob'ly a type 1. How does she feel about tuna salad? It's ideal, made with chopped hard cooked egg & full fat mayo - sugar-free relish if you can get it (I find it at Kroger). Salmon patties are good too . . . just try to work around foods she likes that are high-fat & low-carb.

edit: I should also assure you that a high fat diet will NOT increase risks of cardiovascular disease. There are mountains of evidence from years back which underscore the fallacy in the "bad fats" propaganda. Please don't be afraid of using natural fats, both saturated & unsaturated - they are good healthy food for everyone, and especially for people with diabetes.

Good luck to you & your young lady.
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Excuse me if it came off as abrasive, it was meant to be informative. We often have people who come and post their problems, and many of us make carefully considered responses, only to have the same people come back later starting all over at the beginning, either having forgotten they've already been here, or perhaps they think we don't pay enough attention to remember them from before. Part of the problem is that a great many forums use the vBulletin format, so we all look alike. And when this happens, I try to remind them that we're familiar with their situation and have made suggestions already. That way we don't spend valuable time slogging through territory we've already covered. Because many of us frequent several diabetes sites, we become aware that often a troubled person will hit many forums at once and may easily get lost in the deluge of messages they receive. These are the reasons why you were directed to your previous thread. None of them may apply to you, but now you know why it was presented the way it was.

I also understand that you may be stressed a little more than usual, so I'm considering that as part of your sensitivity. Forgive me for rubbing you the wrong way.

Now as to your seemingly abrasive response about the risk of high fat diets on CVD, I will ask other members to explain and cite their sources, since you would rather I not respond. But the science of which you speak has been disproven, and I think you would be wise on your daughter's account, to do the research and find the truth of the matter. If you use PubMed or Google Scholar or other reliable search sites, look for studies regarding any association between cholesterol and coronary heart disease. JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association), AJCN (American Journal of Clinical Nutrition), and the Lancet are also reputable resources. Whatever you find, you can take THIS to the bank: the lipids hypothesis is dead.
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Let me add a brief p.s., and then I'll let you alone.

As regards lowering an already high level, about the only natural approach I can think of is to drink lots of water and get moving. Adults often use moderate exercise, but for a child who's already very active, it don't see this as being appropriate. Prevention is the far better route.
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all of the type 1s in my family have been through a near-death/lengthy hospital admission experience with this, and it freaks me out to think my daughter might be heading down that path.
I think we're beginning to understand one another, so let me just say this: your daughter is not headed down that path. Whatever has happened in your family is not what will happen to your daughter. My own grandniece was diagnosed before she was a year old and she is approaching her 13th birthday in April. She has worn out one pump & is years into wearing out her second one; she does all her own testing, changes out her sites by herself, and handles the pump entries like a pro. She was much younger than your daughter when she was fitted for the pump. She is a healthy happy youngster with a mouth that gets her in trouble, but her diabetes does not compromise her health or her life.

Whatever the endo says, both of you will survive and thrive. I promise. Make yourself at home here and we'll see you through it.
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Just FYI, hoopmama hasn't even logged in since she was here to post her last message. I hope she'll return to update us on her little girl, but . . .
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