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I jjust have to say something. I don't understand a few things. I'm a type 2 diabetic, which means my pancreas hates me and doesn't work right. I don't choose it to, it just does. Without insulin I can get sick or even die. This isn't a lifestyle I chose, it just happened. I lost my job and with it my insurance . I can't afford the medicine I need. But if I was a crackhead not only would they pay for my drugs so I don't get sick they pay for someone to take them to the clinic. They chose to get high and did that to themselves. Makes me want to become a crackhead.

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I lost my income a few yrs ago.I had no insurance.I quailified for a free,low cost clinic. At the time I was thrilled. I didn't like the wait in the waiting room with sick kids & all kinds of germs. I didn't like the wait your turn, behind 14 other ppl. I didn't like the old crusty equipment.I didn't like the girls who worked there, they where rushed & still in school, & they where not happy ppl. I had 2 doc's that where ok, I liked them well enough.Thats who dx my type 2. The follow up was nil. Heres your kit .. read the directions.
They had 'd' class's at several churchs in the area. I was then directed to downtown free clinic for my meds & eye exams. again wait wait wait. I did this for almost a yr. Till I turned 65. It was another wait 8weeks till I got in to see a endo at the university hosp.
If you ask around & call med companys ,you may quailify for some of these programs.
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You deserve the right to vent. Even those of us with insurance they have made the deductibles so high we end up paying for everything up front. Our insurance and co-pays go up thousands every year so I have to limit how many times I go to the doctor and what lab tests I will pay for. The system is broken. I guess what makes me mad is that many drug addicts and alcoholics qualify for Disability and Medicare and Medicaid while many Diabetics go without proper treatment. They let the drug companies set the prices for diabetic drugs that are over $200 per month and don't get me started on the price of testing supplies. I buy mine on Amazon. I have to shop for the cheapest price because that is all I can afford. I would love to do before and after meal testing but it is not possible. I have to stay healthy because I can't afford to get sick because of our yearly deductibles. Go ahead and vent away. I guess what really makes me mad is people in the top ranks of our governemnt insuate that Type 2 diabetics did this to themselves by a poor diet and if we had just followed their advice we would not be diabetic.
 
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I understand the need to vent. I myself have experienced a raise in copay for testing supplies and meds. The insulin is expensive, even with insurance, and of course the pen needles to go with it. The test strips for some meters, such as the One Touch, are more than $1.00 a piece making a bottle of 100 some astronomical cost of $105.00! If you are testing 3 times a day, that will be depleted in a month. It is crazy. And if you really feel that our representatives/senators/government think that a Type 2 diabetic did this to themselves, what about a Type 1? Type 1's are usually born with this disease...or develop very early on. Even those who have LADA or Type 1.5, it is not their fault that their pancreas is not working. However, drug addicts/alcoholics get free health care because they did not do this to themselves as well? Taking drugs and drinking alcohol is not a must in this life to survive. You make the choice to do that to your body as well. It becomes a disease? Really? SO DOES DIABETES! Okay...I've put my two-cents into this rant as well.
However, we all need to be sending this information to our representatives/senators/government to let them know that we as a nation will not put up with this. We deserve the same freebies that drug addicts/alcoholics deserve. Also, get this one, I went to the pharmacy to pick up test strips that my doctor called in for me. The girl at the counter says "do you know this is $120.00?" I said why? The doctor called in 66 days supply...should only be 2 copays at $40.00 each. I only ended up getting the one box (one month) and called insurance company the next day. My benefits state "up to a 34 days supply". This was for 66 days; 33 days each month. Why 3 copays? If the script is for more than one month, or up to 34 days, then it goes by a 30 day supply. Because it was 66 days, it went into the next month (3rd) or next copay by 6 days. I said well then I'm actually getting screwed out of 24 days supply, but paying a full copay? Yep. I'm better off going month by month then. Why does this not make sense to me? Gotta love it.
 

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Vent away! In fact, I'll join you.

Type 2 runs rampant in my family. Up 'til my generation, it hit after age 65. If I'd been put on a strict low-carb diet from birth, I might have escaped altogether ... but even that is a long shot. My family's a small one; the diabetic trend didn't show up 'til I was in my late teens. But even if we knew -- back in the 50s - 70s, who could have known the genetics, let alone how to compensate for them?

My dietary habits were not good. I admit it. But they were never that bad. I simply was not built to eat the "normal" SAD diet. Ever. And I did not know it.

Add to that, the fact that our foods have changed rapidly over the last 50 years. High-fructose corn syrup is chemically different from the fructose in an apple and, especially in the 90s - 00s, was added to everything, be it sweet or savory. Wheat's genetics have changed radically in the past 50 years. Cases of celiac, wheat/gluten intolerance and wheat allergy have gone through the roof ... and a correlation with diabetes is becoming revealed.

High-carb, wheaten foods are the most easily affordable foods. And the easiest foods to find, as well. I work in a low-income area where anything that isn't pure starch comes with a prohibitive price tag -- if it's on the shelf in the first place. Not a lot of cars, and the bus system is deplorable. Hence, many residents are cut off from healthy choices. Which leads to a lot of obesity, hypertension, heart disease and, yup, diabetes for more fortunate folks to laugh at.

So -- to blame Type 2s for our condition, in my non-humble opinion, is wrong. Moreover, it's cruel. Blame-the-Patient is a distraction that protects Big Pharma, Big Med, Big Junk Food and Big Agro, while serving to "justify" shabby treatment and diagnosis protocols.

And, inevitably, Type 1s are painted with the same brush to the public's eye. When, that is, Type 1 or 1.5 is diagnosed correctly at all.

And while we're at it, it's been shown that a significant amount of drug and alcohol misuse results from attempts to self-medicate when proper medicine for body and mind are inaccessible.

Which leads me to wonder how many other conditions that are caused by our modern "conveniences" -- established and promoted by public policy and corporate greed -- are similarly mis-treated.

End co-rant.
 
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I'll refrain from a political rant about the vitriol directed at those who wanted to make health care accessible and affordable for everyone in the US - and the successful efforts to protect the insurance and pharmaceutical industries. But it's infuriating and has me ranting regularly also.

We're a 1st world country fer cryin' out loud - we deserve better.
 
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If we can supply drug addicts clean needles, we supply our teenagers with free condoms and birth control. But we expect diabetics to pay $1 or more a strip to test their blood sugar. Many of our doctors only want us to test 2 x per week, and they wonder why we get so many D related complications. I am not a big believer in the government, but they buy flu vaccine in bulk and distibute it to clinics, why not diabetic testing strips and sell them for reasonable price. Luckily I get my diabetes meds at Giant Eagle and they have taken it upon themselves to give 5 diabetes meds away for free. Now if everyone else followed suit.
 

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You people seem very intelligent to me. Why do you think it is the way it is?

Big pharmaceutical companies take very good care of our politicians. Do any of you really think that they are going to do anything to jeopardize their children's education fund?

As for the needles for junkies, free b control and the like... do you think that is because anyone cares? No, it is tax write offs and PR stunts.

Look through the trees and you will see the forest.

The gov we are under could not care less how healthy we are. Why would they? The worse our health is the more they get greased. The more they get greased the less they care. Honesty and integrity has no presence in our govt... none...

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Greg? I'll take this opportunity to welcome you to our forum. I think you have much to offer here, and I hope we can be of some assistance to you as well.

Having read your other posts just now, I see many of us have more in common than diabetes. Other ailments and injuries make managing our diabetes more difficult, and the biggest obstacle for many of us is, of course, lack of funds.

I hope you'll settle in here and begin to get acquainted - it's good to have a place we can speak of things where others actually understand what we're saying. The tone of this forum is one of caring and support. We are well aware of the bureaucratic and political nightmares visited upon us by uncaring agencies, but we refuse to be defeated by it.

Now I'm going to go mull over your "truth is truth" declaration. I've lived long enough to know that nothing is ever black or white, and I suspect there are many ways to interpret your statement.

Take care and thank you for joining us.
 

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Most of these rants were based on the system in operation in the USA.

So I'm going to have a brief European rant!

Over here, the national insurance system in the UK and France, whilst differing in some of the details does cover most of the costs of medication and test strips. But of course, that comes at a price in terms of what is effectively another layer of income tax.

  • With type 2 diabetes, it's the opinion of the guiding health authority that regular testing isn't required, so here in France doctors are told that they should limit test strips to no more than 200 per year. I understand that in the UK, it's just say "no".
  • High carb diets are strongly pushed and the assumption is that medication is all you need. Explanations of what the various drugs do? Don't be silly!
  • Fat, lazy type 2s are only going to get worse, so why worry - an A1c of 7% is fine.
  • Specialist follow up after diagnosis? What's that?
You are left to fend for yourself in getting your head round possible sensible approaches or find moral support and but for forums like this, that would be no small task.


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It's a huge money making business...Not to exaggerate but the dealers we should be going after are our government and politicians...

Gotta keep the fat cats happy by filling their pockets...and what better way than a "legal" way of moving through pharmaceutical companies ...These people are just as dirty as any Cartel and Zeta out there...Same breed...no compassion for the people and all about greed...

The struggle makes me sick to my stomach...to think that if you can't afford the meds, procedures, operations medically necessary to keep you healthy you'll either stay sick, get worse..or die...not just with diabetes...this extends to cancer, aids, hiv and a whole bunch of other chronic illnesses out there...

Sorry if I put out too much word vomit out there...just saying
 
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I jjust have to say something. I don't understand a few things. I'm a type 2 diabetic, which means my pancreas hates me and doesn't work right. I don't choose it to, it just does. Without insulin I can get sick or even die. This isn't a lifestyle I chose, it just happened. I lost my job and with it my insurance . I can't afford the medicine I need. But if I was a crackhead not only would they pay for my drugs so I don't get sick they pay for someone to take them to the clinic. They chose to get high and did that to themselves. Makes me want to become a crackhead.

Sorry I'm just ranting
This is a very sad state affairs. Have you thought of writing to the President? After all diabetes has become an epidemic and it may become a problem for the government, the health care facilities and the people.
 

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This is a very sad state affairs. Have you thought of writing to the President? After all diabetes has become an epidemic and it may become a problem for the government, the health care facilities and the people.
Irene,

As a citizen of the European Union, I feel qualified to comment on this point. Given the vested financial interests of the big multi-national drug companies, expecting any one head of state - even(or perhaps especially) the President of the United States - to intervene is asking water to run uphill. It won't happen.

It's all part of the same financial crave up - the great Food Pyramid - designed to sell American grain products, then to sell (largely) American medications to poor sods like us.

By the way - this is not "John the Brit ranting at the USA" - this is John facing the commerical reality that the biggest and most effective marketing game is run by US companies.

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Now that everybody's nice and toasty, now consider the cause of diabetes. Of course we can't absoloutely label the cause because our bodies are so complicated -- funny how we can do that with heart disease though -- but the evidence clearly suggests environmental causes. I will go a step further, as many have done, and say our over-consumption of carbohydrates have caused this crisis. I think if you put all the evidence before an impartial judge, I bet that he or she'd conclude the same.

Now consider something we all love - money. Let's look for a moment at the public money being spent on supplying us with this disease causing food supply. First let me acknowledge that we do this for seemingly very good reasons. We, beginning with President Nixon but agreed to by every administation since, deemed it important to supply people with affordable and available food supplies. Without it, people would starve and we wouldn't have seven billion plus bodies on this planet today.

Agricultural subsidy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In 2009 the United States spent $180.8 billion on farm subsidies. Add anotehr $79 billion in food subsidies Food Subsidies | Downsizing the Federal Government
Also add food stamps at $56 billion, school breakfast and lunch programs at $16 billion, and the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) at $7 billion.

It all adds up to at least $338.8 billion dollars spent in 2009 on food subsidies and food programs.

Changes need to be made to this system.
 
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Now that everybody's nice and toasty, now consider the cause of diabetes. Of course we can't absoloutely label the cause because our bodies are so complicated -- funny how we can do that with heart disease though -- but the evidence clearly suggests environmental causes. I will go a step further, as many have done, and say our over-consumption of carbohydrates have caused this crisis. I think if you put all the evidence before an impartial judge, I bet that he or she'd conclude the same.

Now consider something we all love - money. Let's look for a moment at the public money being spent on supplying us with this disease causing food supply. First let me acknowledge that we do this for seemingly very good reasons. We, beginning with President Nixon but agreed to by every administation since, deemed it important to supply people with affordable and available food supplies. Without it, people would starve and we wouldn't have seven billion plus bodies on this planet today.

Agricultural subsidy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In 2009 the United States spent $180.8 billion on farm subsidies. Add anotehr $79 billion in food subsidies Food Subsidies | Downsizing the Federal Government
Also add food stamps at $56 billion, school breakfast and lunch programs at $16 billion, and the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) at $7 billion.

It all adds up to at least $338.8 billion dollars spent in 2009 on food subsidies and food programs.

Changes need to be made to this system.

John and PowerPumper,

I don't think it matters what the cause of any plague is, except to the scientists who may be able to reverse the trend. It could be caused by obesity (which btw seems to precede diabetes 2), it could be a virus, or autoimmune reactions, or plain genetic time to get a disease; it could even be the internet. But whatever a disease or plague is caused by, is not the significant point in human rights. The government has a responsibility to intervene and if it gets worse as WHO is predicting, we will have a real mess in our hands.

I think it's worth writing to the President. As for the drug companies, they are corporations of course, but they also provide charity to poor countries and they may cooperate under the US government on this new epidemic.
 

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John and PowerPumper,

I don't think it matters what the cause of any plague is, except to the scientists who may be able to reverse the trend. It could be caused by obesity (which btw seems to precede diabetes 2), it could be a virus, or autoimmune reactions, or plain genetic time to get a disease; it could even be the internet. But whatever a disease or plague is caused by, is not the significant point in human rights. The government has a responsibility to intervene and if it gets worse as WHO is predicting, we will have a real mess in our hands.

I think it's worth writing to the President. As for the drug companies, they are corporations of course, but they also provide charity to poor countries and they may cooperate under the US government on this new epidemic.
If somebody is beating you every day - it does happen -- should you address teh cause or the health care system? Should you complain to your representatives about them not adequately healing your broken bones and bruised body? No, you fix the problem. You call the cops on the ******* and lock him up.

We have an abusive system that's causing these health care problems. There's no point ranting about excessive health care costs. There's no way anybody can pay for them. Fix the problem. Fix the cause. Stop funding cheap, accessible, and bad food and this health problem goes away. Stop killing us with our own money and find better ways to feed people.
 
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