[HealthWyze]

Hey everyone;

I signed up today, because I managed to cure myself of pre-diabetes with a drastic change of diet, and some supplementation. In addition, I have done a lot of research on the topic of diabetes recently, and came to conclude that diabetes does not have to be a chronic condition. To the contrary, this lifestyle disease can be cured. I don't know if any of you have seen the movie, Simply Raw: Reversing Diabetes In 30 Days, but I found it inspiring. While switching to a completely raw diet is not practicle for most (and wasn't for me).. vegetable and fruit juicing for several weeks did wonders for my health.

I now run a website which teaches people to take control of their own health, and recently published a very long article on diabetes. I love playing racquetball, though I'm not very good, I eat a natural diet, and go to the gym regularly. I enjoy life.

 

[Richard157]

I hope you don't think that a Type 1 whose pancreas does not produce insulin, and never will, can be cured. That is impossible unless there is a pancreas transpant or islet transplants, and that is usually only temporary.

A Type 2 diabetic can often reverse their diabetes by obtaining an ideal weight, eating low carb (raw veggies are great) and eventually stopping their medication(s). However, that is not a cure either. It is merely a reversal, and nothing more. The insulin resistance that made them Type 2 initially will always be there so they will always be Type 2, even though much healthier than before. If they eat too many fast acting carbs their blood sugar will spike and the diabetes is back in full swing.

You are different, you did not have diabetes in the first place. You were potentially prone to become a diabetic but you ate healthy and , I presume, exercised enough that your previous symptoms were eliminated. I congratulate you on that and I cannot say it isn't a cure. As long as you walk the narrow path you are on and keep your control you will no longer be a pre-diabetic.

I have been Type 1 for 64 years and I have no complications. There are many like me. Some of us are Joslin Medalists when we have been Type 1 for 50 years or more. Like you, I enjoy life. I was diagnosed when I was 6 and yet I did well in college, taught math in college and became a college professor. I have a lovely wife, two wonderful sons and two precious grandchildren, none of whom have diabetes. I am 70 and I enjoy life. My diabetes has not slowed me down or stopped me from doing what I wanted to do.

Welcome to our support group!

Richard

 

[HealthWyze]

Hey Richard. Thanks for the introduction. There are type 1 diabetics who have actually started producing their own insulin. I found, 'Simply Raw: Reversing Diabetes In 30 Days' to be very enlightening. I have no association with the movie, by the way; I was just very impressed by it.

How is a reversal of diabetes, and a 'cure' different? If the individual no longer has to monitor their blood sugar,or rely on medications.. is he cured, or is his condition 'reversed'? Studies have actually shown that some vitamins actually reduce insulin resistance. That begs the question, is diabetes caused by nutritional deficiencies? So many questions... so few answers.

Sarah

 

[Richard157]

Hi Sarah. A Type 2 is cured only if the insulin resistance is totally resolved and there is none of it remaining. Such an individual, if cured, should be able to have a big slice of chocolate and a milk shake and not experience high blood sugar two hours later. That is not going to happen to a person who has been properly diagnosed as a Type 2.

I agree that a Type 2 can reverse their condition by reducing to their ideal weight and dieting properly but there will always be some insulin resistance there. So they are not cured.

I prefer that you stop using the word "cure" or "cured". Others using those words on some sites have had their posts deleted on a regular basis. Thanks!

 

[HealthWyze]

Alright. I'll switch my lingo to 'reversing'. Sorry. Am I correct in assuming that you believe that those who have fully recovered from their condition (and are able to complete the chocolate cake scenario) were simply misdiagnosed?

 

[Richard157]

Yes I agree, many people are diagnosed as Type 1 and they are Type 2. That is not likely to happen with an endocrinologist. GP's know much less about diabetes and many of them will diagnose according to weight and age. They think all overweight people with symptoms of diabetes are automatocally Type 2, but some of them are Type 1. They think all older diabetics are Type 2 but Type 1 has been correctly diagnosed in people of all ages, even people in their 80's. These GP's think all children with the symptoms are Type 1, but there is an ever increasing number of children with Type 2, usually due to their being overweight. An adult who is not overweight, but has diabetes symptoms, can still be Thype 2. Sometimes Type 2 is caused by certain medications, like Prednisone.

There are so many different scenarios, no wonder some GP's make mistakes. Even endocrinologists make occasional mistakes when diagnosing.

 

[Noumenon]

Alright. I'll switch my lingo to 'reversing'. Sorry. Am I correct in assuming that you believe that those who have fully recovered from their condition (and are able to complete the chocolate cake scenario) were simply misdiagnosed?

Yes I agree, many people are diagnosed as Type 1 and they are Type 2. ...

I'm going to have to agree with Richard here in that it is apparent that practitioners are still learning about diabetes, and there appears to be a lot still not understood.

I too saw the simply raw, reversing diabetes in 30 days video, and was impressed. I even spent $190 on stocking up on vegies, and have been eating only vegies, fruits, seeds, grains, etc for the last 3 days. Lost about 2.5 kilograms. So it is impressive.

But I don't see how that's going to reverse the insulin resistance, or the insulin deficiency, or any insulin related disorders. It may 'cure' people of insulin resistance, whereby, after maybe a year, or 5 years of such a raw diet, a person can safely go back on an unhealthy diet of fat, lard, carbs, with abandon, and not experience any diabetes related conditions. Then I will believe it. But I doubt it. Note that whilst such a diet can intrinsically make even healthy people sick, it will not necessarily make non-diabetic people diabetic. But a diabetic will suffer diabetic symptoms almost certainly.

It could however be a very good complementary lifestyle [diabetes or not]. And I also found this paper very impressive:
care.diabetesjournals.org/content/29/8/1777.abstract
A Low-Fat Vegan Diet Improves Glycemic Control and Cardiovascular Risk Factors in a Randomized Clinical Trial in Individuals With Type 2 Diabetes ? Diabetes Care

It's conclusion is:

"Both a low-fat vegan diet and a diet based on ADA guidelines improved glycemic and lipid control in type 2 diabetic patients. These improvements were greater with a low-fat vegan diet."

So that is very impressive, but sadly not a cure. Also I find it saddening that the tree of life program is now becoming commercialised, so that loses credibility in my eyes. With commercialisation focus and goals move from well-being and health to profits. Just like the ADA's Expert Committee's motives are driven by the various pharma corps that pay for the experts on that committee.

Although, I am curious as to what a full dialysis [complete blood replacement] might achieve? Or, staying on a raw diet for 120 days, so all the glycated blood is replaced with non-glycated blood. Will the cellular insulin resistance still be there? Will the pancreas respond 'healthily' to an average first world carb and fat rich diet?

 

[still_know_nothing]

I just joined today...

Even though I was diagnosed 8 years ago.. I kind of did my own thing and thought it was OK.. but just recently having been diagnosed as a CHRONIC diabetic.. I guess not.. So I joined here and am basically starting all over from scratch. whats your website... I'll check it out

Hey everyone;

I signed up today, because I managed to cure myself of pre-diabetes with a drastic change of diet, and some supplementation. In addition, I have done a lot of research on the topic of diabetes recently, and came to conclude that diabetes does not have to be a chronic condition. To the contrary, this lifestyle disease can be cured. I don't know if any of you have seen the movie, Simply Raw: Reversing Diabetes In 30 Days, but I found it inspiring. While switching to a completely raw diet is not practicle for most (and wasn't for me).. vegetable and fruit juicing for several weeks did wonders for my health.

I now run a website which teaches people to take control of their own health, and recently published a very long article on diabetes. I love playing racquetball, though I'm not very good, I eat a natural diet, and go to the gym regularly. I enjoy life.

 

[Richard157]

still_know_nothing, please start a new thread here in this forum so all members will see it. It is at the end of another person's thread now and it will not be seen by many here.

 

[HealthWyze]

Even though I was diagnosed 8 years ago.. I kind of did my own thing and thought it was OK.. but just recently having been diagnosed as a CHRONIC diabetic.. I guess not.. So I joined here and am basically starting all over from scratch. whats your website... I'll check it out

Sorry, I seemed to have looked over this post by mistake. My website is The Health Wyze Report

Sarah

 

[HealthWyze]

I'm going to have to agree with Richard here in that it is apparent that practitioners are still learning about diabetes, and there appears to be a lot still not understood.

I too saw the simply raw, reversing diabetes in 30 days video, and was impressed. I even spent $190 on stocking up on vegies, and have been eating only vegies, fruits, seeds, grains, etc for the last 3 days. Lost about 2.5 kilograms. So it is impressive.

But I don't see how that's going to reverse the insulin resistance, or the insulin deficiency, or any insulin related disorders. It may 'cure' people of insulin resistance, whereby, after maybe a year, or 5 years of such a raw diet, a person can safely go back on an unhealthy diet of fat, lard, carbs, with abandon, and not experience any diabetes related conditions. Then I will believe it. But I doubt it. Note that whilst such a diet can intrinsically make even healthy people sick, it will not necessarily make non-diabetic people diabetic. But a diabetic will suffer diabetic symptoms almost certainly.

It could however be a very good complementary lifestyle [diabetes or not]. And I also found this paper very impressive:
care.diabetesjournals.org/content/29/8/1777.abstract
A Low-Fat Vegan Diet Improves Glycemic Control and Cardiovascular Risk Factors in a Randomized Clinical Trial in Individuals With Type 2 Diabetes ? Diabetes Care

It's conclusion is:

"Both a low-fat vegan diet and a diet based on ADA guidelines improved glycemic and lipid control in type 2 diabetic patients. These improvements were greater with a low-fat vegan diet."

So that is very impressive, but sadly not a cure. Also I find it saddening that the tree of life program is now becoming commercialised, so that loses credibility in my eyes. With commercialisation focus and goals move from well-being and health to profits. Just like the ADA's Expert Committee's motives are driven by the various pharma corps that pay for the experts on that committee.

Although, I am curious as to what a full dialysis [complete blood replacement] might achieve? Or, staying on a raw diet for 120 days, so all the glycated blood is replaced with non-glycated blood. Will the cellular insulin resistance still be there? Will the pancreas respond 'healthily' to an average first world carb and fat rich diet?

The commercialization of the Tree For Life foundation really saddened me too. After you made your comment, I requested their 'rates', to find that they charge in excess of $12,000 for 21 days. As long as the emphasis is on profit, instead of healing people; they will lose a lot of respect from me. While I understand that everyone has to make some money, I feel that such a price is very excessive. Nobody should be unable to achieve good health due to their financial situation.

That is one of the main reasons that American's have such a poor diet - junk, processed food is cheaper than eating well (at least in the short term). Rant over.

 

[Anthill]

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