Is meat really all that bad?

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fuxl

Discussion Starter · Aug 25, 2011 (Edited)

Alright, let me start with that I've only been diagnosed for a month now.
So I'm still new to the scene and try to learn as much as I can.

I've been to 3 nutrition appointments so far, and for some reason I was seen by 3 different nutrition specialists.
You already know that that also means 3 different opinions, right?

Now to my real question though:
Is meat really that bad?
I've been eating a lot of meat all my life.
No matter what kind, I like it all.
The problem is, what I don't really like is vegetables. Everything that's green, or red,...

So what I try to do now is count my carbs, so I'll get the right amount for each meal, and try to use the meat as my "filler".

Of course the nutritionists say 3oz. an that's it, but there is no way I can do that!

When they did my A1c for diagnosis, the number of cholesterol were 10mg/dL for the VLDL and 73mg/dL for the LDL, if that helps any.

What's your experience on this?

Thanks, Martin

EDIT: I've read that a lot of people are doing low carb high fat diet. I think that's probably what I've been doing my whole life. Besides Sweets, I'm eating more carbs now than before I was diagnosed

Oh, and Tarek, sorry for using the "same" thread title. That was not on purpose.

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Shanny

· #2 · Aug 25, 2011

Meat isn't bad at all. The low-carb/high-fat method hinges on the premise that you'll be eating very few carbs - FAR FEWER than what is prescribed by any of your nutrition "experts". None of us understand why the ADA & all their trained professionals are so hung up on carbs, but carbs are NOT a necessary component of a healthy diet. Anything our bodies need to maintain good health can be manufactured from other sources like protein. So go ahead & eat as you have been, only keep your total daily carbs under 40 or 50 grams. That's PER DAY, not per meal. Using moderate amounts of fat will be a great help & here's a good way to incorporate more fats.

So the sweets do have to go, and all the potatoes, bread, rice, pasta have to go too - anything made with grain, even if it's whole grain. Later when you get regulated, you can deal with adding back a few of these in small portions, but for now - no sweets/potatoes/bread/rice/pasta/etc.

If you have to lie to the nutritionists - go right ahead.

Or else keep your food log & BG log up-to-date & show them exactly how the low-carb/high-fat way of eating keeps your BG low!

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fuxl

Discussion Starter · #3 · Aug 25, 2011

So what you're saying means no insulin too, right?

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Shanny

· #4 · Aug 25, 2011 (Edited)

You're a type 1, Martin . . . you'll always need insulin, but right now while you're getting it under control, it'll be easier if you're taking in fewer carbs so you'll need LESS insulin. You need to bolus for protein too. If you haven't already read Dr. Bernstein's book, go there now & browse around. He's been type 1 many decades & living the good life on low carb.

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fuxl

Discussion Starter · #5 · Aug 25, 2011

I'll take a look at it.
Right now I'm trying to find out what's out there, to see what works best for me.
What I've been doing so war worked pretty good: around 225g Carbs a day, but when I ate more meat, just took less insulin to compensate for it. Average numbers over the whole day are around 110 now.
So maybe I shouldn't change anything.
Like I said, trying to find out what's out there...

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jwags

· #6 · Aug 25, 2011

All diabetics eat different amounts of carbs. Dr Bernstein recomends 30 carbs per day. I eat between 30-40 most days. Nutritionists recomend that we eat lots of carbs and no fats. If you want to eat a Low Carb / High fat diet that is fine but you will have to limit all carbs at each meal. If you eat high fat and high carb that spells trouble. You haven't mentioned how your bgs are and what your bgs are after meals. Ideally you want them 120-140 or lower. The closer you are to normal the better.

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Adjitater

· #7 · Aug 25, 2011 (Edited)

You can read Bernstein if you want but his methods are somewhat outdated. There are actually more type 2's that follow his advice and I would say that a large portion of them don't follow it to the letter. He also does not believe in using the best technology that is now available. I for one will not back 30 years in how I treat my diabetes. Now to answer the question about meat. No it is not that bad, but if you are going to eat larger amounts of it you want to look for tean meats and not the fattest ones you can find. Too much fat inhibits how well your insulin will work. Shanny is right too you will need to acount for all that protien too as it will raise your blood glucose but at a much slower rate than carbs do.

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fuxl

Discussion Starter · #8 · Aug 26, 2011

Yesterday I had 88g Carbs for lunch. BG was 99 before and 120 2h after lunch.
Today I had 92g Carbs with BG 108 before and 97 after lunch.
I took 4 units of humalog before each meal.

Most of the time I eat chicken or turkey. On occasion steak or ribs.

Today for dinner I had a decent size ribeye 65g of Carbs, BG 97 before and 74 after dinner. this time I only used 3 units of humalog.

The nutritionist told me to eat more carbs because of my lows I had in the last few weeks. She also told me that my carb to insulin ratio was 1 unit for 15g. Which I think is not true...

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Adjitater

· #9 · Aug 26, 2011

Looks like it might be closer to 1 to 24 but thats just me guessing.

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fuxl

Discussion Starter · #10 · Aug 26, 2011

yeah!

But there's nothing wrong with my BG numbers, is it?

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Adjitater

· #11 · Aug 26, 2011

Nope they look good to me.

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