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I went to the intro to a Diabetes class today. The nutritionist claimed that LCHF diets were nutritionally unbalanced, unhealthy and potentially dangerous. I'm having a hard time believing this is true. Can someone point me to an easy to understand website, possibly with scientific studies proving her wrong? She is recommending the plate method of dieting, with 1 cup of starch being a choice. Thats a lot of carbs. My glucose levels would shoot right up if I ate that much carbs!

Im a LCHF believer! But, since I'm so new to diabetes, could some of you point me in the right direction? This is supposed to be a 4 week class, but I may not make it past the second.
 

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You´ve already answered your question: Holding on to the plate method will shoot your glucose levels right up. So, why put your health at risk. Let your meter be your guideline when it comes to an adequate diet. It´s you who have diabetes and you are the expert.
 

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Marcy,
There are two reasons that they believe that LC/HF is unhealthy and potentially dangerous. First that dietary fats are the leading cause of cardiovascular trouble and secondly that a a high fat diet would lead to ketoacidosis.

There are a number of sites that are recommended by various posters but you could start with this

So far as their two reasons are concerned there are a number of logical arguments against their line of thinking. Dietary fats and fats in the blood are not the same thing and are not to be confused with each other. Eating more fats makes the body make lesser fats from other sources. And nutritional ketosis is a very different and healthy condition compared to a extremely high levels of ketones known as ketoacidosis. They confuse the two.

Let your meter and your own parameters be your most convincing arguments.
 

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I was really annoyed with her, I guess I shouldn't be. I was actually there with my dad, it's him that is signed up for the class, but they let all class members bring a guest. Since I'm newly diagnosed, I thought it might be helpful, but so far, I'm not finding it to be so.

My father has had diabetes for approx 20 years, and this last couple of years he has just been eating what he wants (previously he was very careful). So his glucose levels are all over the place. He's only taking oral medications right now, and the doctor said that if his a1c is not better when he comes back in three months, he's going to prescribe insulin for him. I'm kind of gung go about the low carb thing (I'm new, it's probably normal to be excited, right lol?). So I am trying to talk my dad into trying that, and some light exercise, to try to get his glucose levels down, and avoid insulin. The nutritionist today, though, told him that if his glucose levels are high upon waking that it means there's not enough insulin in his body and he just needs to get on insulin. And that most people who have been diabetic for 20 years are already on insulin. Basically, he should stop fighting it and just do it. She also said that he should be able to eat to the plate method without significant glucose fluctuations, unless he needs insulin.

Now, admittedly, I've only been diagnosed for two weeks, but it's been an intensive two weeks, with several hours a day spent reading about diabetes and diet. And that just does NOT sound right. Hopefully she is just wrong. Because I would hate to think that this is how the whole medical profession views diabetes and diet and insulin. Ok, crazy woman rant over. For now lol.
 

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In the US, the "official" line is set by the ADA and they are not favoring LCHF diets.

I would say that maybe what they say works for some people, but it certainly doesn't work for me and I've seen posts on the two forums I visit where many report not only improved glucose numbers, but better lipid profiles (cholesterol).

If one has a history of heart problems, high blood pressure, and so on, one has to be careful. I have no family history of heart problems and none myself, though, so I'm willing to give it a minimum of six months, have my lipids tested, and go from there.

I found that the standard dietary information from my one visit with a nutritionist did not work for me. The nutritionist wanted me to eat around 45 carbs at dinner. I do that occasionally. My BG goes up to 160-180 (8.9-10).

But I did learn from that one visit how to estimate 15 grams of carbs. Knowing that, I can reduce portion size or omit that food if I'm at a buffet or restaurant and it's not practical to be looking up food. I also learned how to treat a low (not that I ever go under 60, but it's still uncomfortable).

Some people say that those courses are good for those who eat an excessive amount of carbs to begin with; at least it's a start.
 

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When I meet doctors or dietitions or just regular people that tells me LCHF is unhealthy because I dont get the proper nutrition, I just ask them to tell what they believe I eat.
They mostly think I`m living on eggs and bacon :eek: and thats it.
When they hear what I eat they starts to see how stupid their ideas of LCHF was.
And if they dont believe me I just ask them to test my vitamins and minerals because I know they are all covered for.
 

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By the way, even vegetables have carbs. So, if I were to use the plate method, I'd fill up the "starch" area with vegetables and I wouldn't worry about it. As optimist said, people don't always know what's involved in a LCHF diet. They assume only meat, cheese, and eggs. Many of us on LCHF do eat some vegetables.

The vegetables I eat are lettuce, asparagus, broccoli, cauliflower, and small amounts of tomato, green beens, and brussels sprouts. I think the only thing that a dietician would really cringe at is the fact that I do not eat any grains. They really raise my BG.
 

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I don't tell people I eat LCHF I say I don't eat Grains, Starches or Fruits. Sometimes I say its an alergy, sometimes I say its a diet some times I say its a medical condition, some times I say diabetes. Just depends on who I am talking to and what they will most likley accept. The only one people really question is the not eating fruit, when they ask but fruit is healthy, I simply say its too sweet for me, I get my vitamin C from broccoli, iron from spinach etc etc they suddenly think I eat very very healthy and don't question it, the questions then become how do you stick to it, don't you miss this or that etc. I simply say I feel better eating this way. That once you get used to it, you don't miss the bad foods anymore.
 

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My philosophy is: Yes, LCHF diet may possibly be missing something. Possibly. Well, you can always make up for the "missing part" by some vitamins and/or supplements. You don't have to necessarily have the high-carby food for that

Unless of course the fruits or other high-carby foods have something magical/unknown (such as certainly enzymes that help us in unknown ways) that we are unaware of how to make up for -- unlikely, I think. In either case, I'm personally willing to take the chance, and be happy with immediate observable benefits (such as perfect weight, BG levels, Hb1Ac, and Lipid panel, to begin with).
 

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When I tried LCHF, my cholesterol shot up 30+ points, so I don't think it's healthy for me. No judgement about other people.
 

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When I tried LCHF, my cholesterol shot up 30+ points, so I don't think it's healthy for me. No judgement about other people.
Yes, getting the lipid panel right is important. In my case, only my LDL went/goes up 20-30 points (but is tolerable for me).

In our case: perhaps, LCHF with more veggies may solve the problem.
 

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When I tried LCHF, my cholesterol shot up 30+ points, so I don't think it's healthy for me. No judgement about other people.
Its quite normal that the cholesterol will shoot up the first month after switching to LCHF, but give it some time and your cholesterol will normally become close to perfect without any statins!
 

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I've read that some doctor, maybe Dr. Bernstein, said it takes six months for the lipids to settle down. My six months will be up this month, so I don't know yet how mine have reacted yet.
 

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The health professionals at the diabetes clinic I encountered in my early diabetes days were all overweight and munching junk food in the appointments. Unless my health professional is diabetic and looking really healthy i'm not listening to anything they say! Lchf has improved my bg and energy levels immensely, I need no more proof than that.
 

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This is such a helpful forum. I'm brand new to diabetes. I started eating what to me was low carb immediately (150 carbs/day) and didn't see much difference in my glucose readings. The last week I've been doing at first under 50 carbs a day, now under 30. And my levels are down under 200 now, (they were 250-300 at first). But I seem to hover in the 150 ish range. Does it take a while for your levels to drop when they've been so high? Should mine already be much lower? I've been walking 1-2 times a day (I'm working up to more, but have previously been very inactive) for approx 30 minutes each. Is there anything else I can do? Do I need to go even lower carb than 30?
 

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Your body may need time to adjust, it has got used to your bg being higher. I had to wrestle my body for control for a while as I had been high for some time. After a while my body got used to being lower.
 

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Short answer: YES.

You're doing great. Just keep on. Not time to change anything else yet.
 
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When I tried LCHF, my cholesterol shot up 30+ points, so I don't think it's healthy for me. No judgement about other people.
And when people are still losing weight, as you were and are, it's common for the lipids profile to fluctuate during the weight loss period. It isn't so much the LCHF that's causing raised lipids, as the weight loss itself, flushing the fats away - temporarily into the bloodstream.
 
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