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Hello.

Canadian here.
Diagnosed 3 years ago with Type 2.
Was placed on Metformin and Blood Pressure pills.

Not going to get into the story but suffice to say, in the end, my numbers were low enough specialists later questioned why I had been put on Metformin at all. As well, Blood Pressure is low, and pills for this were questioned as well.
I developed CKD from 2 shock events.

I am no longer considered diabetic, technically, nor have been on meds for one year but do watch my numbers daily and A1C every few months.
I cut out all breads, pastas, rice and other sugars and that alone calmed it all down.

Now on a limited diet due to CKD which often tends to favour foods that aren't good for Diabetics :vs_laugh:

There are many CKD groups but I am yet to find any that combine CKD and Diabetes and that is partly what I am looking for. A section of Type2/CKD and all that can be learned.

At the very least, Canadians with Type 2 as interested in products, blood glucose meters that are common to us, that might not be to Americans, and so on.
 

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Welcome, Canstone!

I'm inexperienced with kidney disease and too far south (of the Canadian border) to be helpful in your specific question, but we do have a number of Canadian members and posters here, so I am hopeful they will check out your post and respond.
 

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Hello.

Canadian here.
Diagnosed 3 years ago with Type 2.
Was placed on Metformin and Blood Pressure pills.

Not going to get into the story but suffice to say, in the end, my numbers were low enough specialists later questioned why I had been put on Metformin at all. As well, Blood Pressure is low, and pills for this were questioned as well.
I developed CKD from 2 shock events.

I am no longer considered diabetic, technically, nor have been on meds for one year but do watch my numbers daily and A1C every few months.
I cut out all breads, pastas, rice and other sugars and that alone calmed it all down.

Now on a limited diet due to CKD which often tends to favour foods that aren't good for Diabetics :vs_laugh:

There are many CKD groups but I am yet to find any that combine CKD and Diabetes and that is partly what I am looking for. A section of Type2/CKD and all that can be learned.

At the very least, Canadians with Type 2 as interested in products, blood glucose meters that are common to us, that might not be to Americans, and so on.
welcome Canstone

I am not Canadian but something you wrote peaked my interest.

you say that you were diagnosed and then after a while you were questioned if you were actually diabetic. I am sure there is a chance you were misdiagnosed but you said

I cut out all breads, pastas, rice and other sugars and that alone calmed it all down.
If you did this and then rechecked... its possible that because of your diet change, your numbers lowered. Thats what happened to me. I was diagnosed and I started living a keto lifestyle. only 20g of carbs a day. with that , my numbers are better than most people without diabetes. I have never been on medication

However, I am still a diabetic. the reason my numbers are low is because of the foods I eat but if I ate a hero sandwich, my numbers would immediately go up.

so if you numbers are low because of the foods you now eat, unfortunately its possible you are still diabetic:vs_cool:
 

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Its a long story hftmrock, one I wouldnt wish to bore you with but yes, you are technically correct.

I am and will now always be a diabetic although its been under control for ages now, without any medication and just a simple diet change.
Unfortunately not everyone is that lucky.

In my case, I had what is called 2 shock events to my kidneys, and with that I lost a kidney and almost lost the other one but made it to emergency in time.
The Nephrologists weren't happy at all I had been given the pills because I was in the normal range, not even pre-diabetic at that point. Those along with a blood pressure pill they felt greatly contributed to the kidney failure. Turned out my BP was in the normal range as well.

In hindsight,I should have been referred to a Nephrologist if not before being given the meds, at least at the same time for follow up. But I wasnt. Live and learn.

So yes, I do watch my BS daily despite not taking medication for the health of my kidney.

I have noticed that if I were to eat one meal that was high in sugar, that alone would not cause my BS to go up but if I went on a run of that for 7-10 days, yes, it will.


Despite all of that, I was hoping to get a bluetooth BS meter that was known to be accurate so am just looking into that now. My present meter isn't bluetooth enabled but it would make it easier to follow daily if just sent to my phone, as I do my BP readings.

One of the drawbacks of CD is that the diet tends to cross over into areas such as white bread, rice and pasta, limiting me to an even smaller list of acceptable meals to pick from
 

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ok, that explanation helps.

you said you are no longer considered diabetic. that concerned me. its most likely that you are and always will be diabetic.

your food choices have put it in remission (my term) or at least halted any progression.

you seem to be handling it extremely well and I applaud you for that.
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(also - we here like long boring stories so if you are ever bored enough, you can share anything you like. this forum is helpful to many and you never know when your experiences will resonate with others and you will have a 'lollipop moment')
 

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Perhaps one day hftrock but at the moment, its better that I put my energy into remaining in a forward fashion rather than creating undue stress from looking backwards in order to assign blame.


In my case i am not sure there might ever be a "lollipop moment" that could change anything. I do believe with experience gained there might be some avenues I would like to see changed but I am not yet experienced enough to know whether those avenues I am thinking might be available for others but perhaps just weren't for me. So, whether or not my experience could help anyone else, or whether I just fell through a series of cracks that would have caught others, I am not yet sure of.
 

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Hi Canstone, I just wanted to welcome you to the forum.

I hope you continue to post :)
 
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Thank you for the welcome and I will continue to post, in the near future.

Right now I have undertaken a change of diet, which isn't all that radical a change for me but with it a few new "staples" I have avoided in the past. I want to see what i can and cant handle today.

Along with that, I did pick up the new Contour Next One which I just used this morning for the first time shortly after I woke up.

I also tested myself with my old meter, a Medi-Sure to see how both compared.

The medisure came in at a full point lower than the Next one but its too soon to know which one is correct or if that will continue to happen.

I made a cold salad yesterday with chick peas, lemon, red peppers, garlic, lemon, dill, parsley, but using Red Bulgar which is a first time for me using it.

An hour later I tested BS with the medisure and came in at a point higher, at the same point exactly that the Contour Next one read an hour earlier before i had consumed that salad.

I like that this Contour Next One allows me to add notes with each reading so I can add in the readings from the Medisure at the same time.

Time will tell if I can or cannot handle Bulgur.
 

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Thank you for the welcome and I will continue to post, in the near future.

Right now I have undertaken a change of diet, which isn't all that radical a change for me but with it a few new "staples" I have avoided in the past. I want to see what i can and cant handle today.

Along with that, I did pick up the new Contour Next One which I just used this morning for the first time shortly after I woke up.

I also tested myself with my old meter, a Medi-Sure to see how both compared.

The medisure came in at a full point lower than the Next one but its too soon to know which one is correct or if that will continue to happen.

I made a cold salad yesterday with chick peas, lemon, red peppers, garlic, lemon, dill, parsley, but using Red Bulgar which is a first time for me using it.

An hour later I tested BS with the medisure and came in at a point higher, at the same point exactly that the Contour Next one read an hour earlier before i had consumed that salad.

I like that this Contour Next One allows me to add notes with each reading so I can add in the readings from the Medisure at the same time.

Time will tell if I can or cannot handle Bulgur.

not sure how much you used but 1 cup of red bulgur is 33g of carbs so its pretty high. you are doing it correct though. we have a saying here that if you follow , it will only lead to good things.

eat to your meter. test before you eat something, 1 hour after and then 2 hours after. this will let you know if you can have something or not if you are concerned about blood sugar. you dont have to do this forever. only at the beginning to know what you can eat and not eat with your staples and then whenever you eat something new.:vs_cool:
 

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Thanks htmrock.

Yes, I was likely fooling myself, hoping that Bulgur mightn't be a trigger but first glance would suggest that it is.
I made enough for 3 days :D

It has to do with having to forego quite a few things I liked before, that were not a problem for me, with Type2 but now are considered so for CKD....its becoming quite the balancing act .

Anyhow, it might appear that for the next 3 days then, Bulgar will not be the best for me. I cant throw this stuff out its good, too good to throw out but not so good that i cant live without making it again. Damn. I so hoped it would work.

Testing, as you describe, I had all figured out 2 years ago but with this new "diet" for CKD I am back to square one, almost, again.....so back to the testing.

I am hoping to find something....other than Rice of course, or maybe now Bulgar, that will fit certain dishes....aside from Cauliflower which I use extensively as it is.

Ok, back to the drawing board it seems :(
 

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Let me ask you one question.

If you were to consider A1C results, bearing in mind that below 5 would be perfect, what would you consider to be acceptably average for someone not using any drugs (metformin, etc)....that is controlling their T2 through diet?

Can such a number be thrown out easily?




(reading your links now which prompted this question)

Further reading, now hitting the spot about the Keto diet. I have to say, that that diet confuses me. I have looked at it a few times, and have heard so many swear by it....but I haven't yet had it click as to why it would work. ( still reading further)
 

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I think if you are in the 5.0 - 5.5 range (with no medication), you could be at a point where you might not need any. I am not an expert on this would be a good area to be in.
 

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Ok, so you and I think in the same ball park. I was reading something that seemed to suggest that 7.0 range was acceptable but for myself i consider that high...

So was curious to ask you.

Between all of this reading again, with having to convert from mg/dl to mmol/L depending on who you are speaking to......to an influx of having to understand blood results readings for everything else...my brain is ceasing to function properly at times.

In short, too much reading/absorbing going on that I am starting to lose it. :)

Thanks for those links. Am off reading them now and will be checking closely the next few days - onwards..
 

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no worries... this has to be at your pace.

We will be here.... I'll leave a light on for you and have a pot of coffee ready :wink2:
 

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I think if you are in the 5.0 - 5.5 range (with no medication), you could be at a point where you might not need any. I am not an expert on this would be a good area to be in.

I was in that range all the time until January.

With the kidney issue ( not T2 related) and a tube I had been given to help fix it, I developed a succession of UTIs, which I had never experienced before.
I was put on 5 consecutive rounds of anti-biotics.
I had only ever had 2 antibiotics in my life, that i am aware of before that.
Once in childhood and once 5 years ago for a root canal and the antibiotics played havoc on me then.

I had been off Metformin by that point, 6 months but during that 6 week round of antibiotics, my A1C number was higher than usual at 7.0

Tube was removed and my numbers went back to 5.5.
But since this time, I have started a new diet, plant based only but playing around with several ingredients that were not a part of my diet before - hence, back to square 1 with testing.
The diet for CKD is very restrictive, so add a T2 diet on top of that and one will bounce off walls trying to stay within the perimeters of the two..

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