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Guys,

I know it's probably blasphemy here to question the Low Carb Diet.

The Low carb diet has worked to control my BS, which is great. I am not questioning this method. I just want to learn more

I want to understand the following

1. I would like to know the cons of following a low carb diet.
2. What are the medical / health side-effects ?
3. What are the precautions one needs to take ? What foods are not a good source of fat / protein ? (e.g I had taken tofu and soy for a few days before I read an article on BS101 that soy is harmful for D)

I know wikepedia is not a very reliable source but the internet is full of various kinds of conditions that can be caused by a low carb diets

Please dont take offence to this post. I know's it working well for nearly all of us. I am sure there are people on this forum who are low carbing for years / decades.

I am just trying to objectively learn something new

If there is some old thread which already discusses this can you please post the link here

Thanks

Tony
 

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Guys,

I know it's probably blasphemy here to question the Low Carb Diet.

The Low carb diet has worked to control my BS, which is great. I am not questioning this method. I just want to learn more

I want to understand the following

1. I would like to know the cons of following a low carb diet.
2. What are the medical / health side-effects ?
3. What are the precautions one needs to take ? What foods are not a good source of fat / protein ? (e.g I had taken tofu and soy for a few days before I read an article on BS101 that soy is harmful for D)

I know wikepedia is not a very reliable source but the internet is full of various kinds of conditions that can be caused by a low carb diets

Please dont take offence to this post. I know's it working well for nearly all of us. I am sure there are people on this forum who are low carbing for years / decades.

I am just trying to objectively learn something new

If there is some old thread which already discusses this can you please post the link here

Thanks

Tony
I live lowcarb, and I love it.
I don`t think its a diet, its a lifestyle.
I eat clean and unprosessed food and it got to be better than eating all the chemical additives in semi food.
All though I eat very few carbs each day, I always eat very different food and my carbs comes from different vegetables and milk products.
As I see it, when you eat various of course, the side effects are that we lose weight, and we don`t get hungry as soon as when eating high carbs.
My son is a long distance runner, and he compete a lots on a high level. This year, after switching over to lowcarbs, his personal best is improved on several distances.
My cholesterol was high, but is now perfect. My stomach problems is now much better.
The fat I mainly consume is cocosa oil, flaxseed oil, olive oil, canola oil, fish with high fat content and fat milk products. I also eat nuts.
I dont eat any soy products because of my diabetes and my Hashimoto.

I believe that when you varies the food, low carb is an excellent way of taking care of your body. I have friends who has lived lowcarb for 10 years and more, and their health is good.
 
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I think the biggest pluses to Low Carb is that most of us give up wheat. Wheat is now being investigated as the source of many chronic diseases. Eating Low carb is not a weird diet. We are just now eating foods in their most natural, organic source. Although we don't avoid fat most of my fat comes from nuts, cheese, coconut oil and organic meats. My body recognises it and burns it as fuel. I have been doing different levels of low carb for almost 5 years and am in the best health in my life in years. I have lost weight, have tons of energy for exercise and look great. All I can compare it to is when I ate a higher carb, low fat , standard American diet. I was a lot heavier, my skin was terrible and I was tired a lot. My cholesterol numbers were much higher on a higer carb vegetarian diet than they are now, eating fat.
 

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I am a low carb vegetarian.

While there ARE places (Paleo forums, or Primal forums, for instance) where perhaps it would be blasphemy, this is not one of those places.

I recently began measuring my fats, due to weight gain. I actually suspect the weight gain is due to increased insulin use.

However, I decided I must keep an open mind and see what happens, so I am doing this for one month. If by that time I have NOT lost any weight, I will try driving my carbs lower, upping my fat but still quantifying it.

Disadvantages -- well that goes right along with the "What if you are all wrong?" question I read on another forum. Low-carbing IS a leap of faith in a somewhat hostile medical environment. So if we are wrong, and "they" are right, the "disadvantages" have been well spelled out for us. Lipids, atherosclerosis, and strokes and heart attacks galore (67 % of first MIs are fatal) are in all of the "faithfuls'" futures.

I feel like we are not throwing caution to the wind; high blood sugars would kill or at least afflict us, sooner than this diet. If I am wrong, then someone can have it put on headstone, "She died of low-carbing, not diabetes." Hopefully after 2057 ...

Oh, wait, I intend to be cremated.
 

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Great answer foxl. I am looking for more such answers.

I am convinced of the benefits. I am just looking for answers on the possible unfavourable results, if any...

Also are there any precautions we need to take as we are eating so much of protein and fat ?

Tony


I am a low carb vegetarian.
While there ARE places (Paleo ? forums, or Primal forums, for instance) where perhaps it would be blasphemy, this is not one of those places.

I recently began measuring my fats, due to weight gain. I actually suspect the weight gain is due to increased insulin use.

However, I decided I must keep an open mind and see what happens, so I am doing this for one month. If by that time I have NOT lost any weight, I will try driving my carbs lower, upping my fat but still quantifying it.

Disadvantages -- well that goes right along with the "What if you are all wrong?" question I read on another forum. Low-carbing IS a leap of faith in a somewhat hostile medical environment. So if we are wrong, and "they" are right, the "disadvantages" have been well spelled out for us. Lipids, atherosclerosis, and strokes and heart attacks galore (67 % of first MIs are fatal) are in all of the "faithfuls'" futures.

I feel like we are not throwing caution to the wind; high blood sugars would kill or at least afflict us, sooner than this diet. If I am wrong, then someone can have it put on headstone, "She died of low-carbing, not diabetes." Hopefully after 2057 ...

Oh, wait, I intend to be cremated.
 

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If we qualify this by saying not just "low-carb" but "low-carb/high-fat", I'm sorry, I don't know of any downside as of this time. The benefits are too many and too dramatic to even begin listing them - don't get me started - from weight loss, emotional happiness and contentment, energy level and even unexpected things like bowel health, etc.

There are literally legions of people and billions of dollars trying to prove that there are scary problems down the road. They do so for various reasons among them a clinging belief in the Lipid Myth, but most of all FINANCIAL reasons since with 10% of the population diabetic and heading to possibly 30% on present course, the economic stakes are huge.

Any solution which threatens these profits (as eating LC/HF does to the extent it spreads) will be and is combated vigorously. In spite of these huge efforts, if you track down any one of their scare tactics, you find it to be complete vapor with no valid science behind it at all.

The honest ones will say things like "more long-term trials are needed". Well, guess what, full 5% of the population of Sweden is on a hard-core LC/HF WOE and another 15% are "dabbling" in other words eating "low-carb". Because of this there is currently a serious butter shortage in Sweden! I think that's a big enough sample! Let's just wait until all the data is in.

I'm eating LC/HF for nearly two years without any regard for sources of fat except that they be natural, no hydrogenated or other man-modified oils or fats. No soy at all because of its many "anti-nutrients" in non-fermented form. I don't distinguish between saturated and unsaturated and eat them all freely. I also consume a lot of MCTs in the form of coconut oil. My menu consists of about 75% of calories from fat, 10% from carbs and 15% from protein. ALL of my numbers and indicators including lipid numbers have improved greatly during this time and all are in normal or good ranges.

This is the best health I've ever been in by every conceivable measure. I wish I did it long ago and I certainly don't intend to ever go backwards.
 

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I'd like to add here as well that eating a high carb/low fat diet has caused my diabetes over the years to become worse. I was eating the "healthy" grains, and "healthy" fruits, along with veggies and protein. I've been on the insulin path in the past, but it did not work because I was still eating badly (considering how I am eating now). I ate a dinner of smoked sausage, steamed green beans, and sauteed eggplant last evening, was quite satisfied with it, and my bg's before bed were 110. How can I complain? I have just started back on a combination insulin within the past week, and I'm still tweaking it, but I'm hoping to have great improvement by December. Last year my triglycerides were almost 7,000 (that's right...7,000). They are now down to 485 and hopefully still dropping and I achieved this by eating much lower carb and with higher fats. I myself do not understand it, but I'm beginning to believe most of these "specialists" don't understand a diabetics body process either. I trust all the people I've virtually met on this forum. I've learned more from all of them than I have from any "specialist" or doctor in the past 10 years. I do not see the harm in eating a low carb/high fat diet, as long as you are using the right type of fats. No hydrogenated and only more "natural" fats. Our ancestors (and I'm going back to the hunters and gathers) ate plant based and whatever meat they could kill and cook. They did not have grains and they survived...They ate mostly veggies and meat...perhaps fruits as well, but in a purer form.
 
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Only real downsides I've found are that low-carb can be more expensive -- especially starting out -- and that grocery shopping means plowing through the pastries and noodles to find the good stuff (that gets a bit old). Eating out, especially at potlucks and parties, can also become a minefield.

Health downsides? None so far. I feel so much better now, and I'm still improving ... and still in the process of realizing just how bad off I was before.
 
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Guys these are great answers.

The efficacy of low carb/high fat is something i never questioned. It has worked tremendously to lower my blood sugar. I never disputed that.

Its great also to see the positive impact it has had for the lipids

From all the messages i see, the net result i can see is that low carb high fat is good for our BS, cholestrol and weight.

Other than it being expensive and a possible effect on kidneys incase of high proteins, the long term negatives (if any) are not yet well established..

As of now the known benefits outweigh the very little known and unknown (if any ) negatives.

Is this an accurate summary of this discussion ?



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Yep - good summary, and to repeat what Linda (foxl) said, around here it's never blaspheming to speak of other methods which work also!

Guys these are great answers.

The efficacy of low carb/high fat is something i never questioned. It has worked tremendously to lower my blood sugar. I never disputed that.

Its great also to see the positive impact it has had for the lipids

From all the messages i see, the net result i can see is that low carb high fat is good for our BS, cholestrol and weight.

Other than it being expensive and a possible effect on kidneys incase of high proteins, the long term negatives (if any) are not yet well established..

As of now the known benefits outweigh the very little known and unknown (if any ) negatives.

Is this an accurate summary of this discussion ?



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Yeah, except one thing. LC/HF is NOT "high-protein". My doctor is firm in saying that high protein is completely benign except in pre-existing kidney disease. Nonetheless, I am wary of eating high-protein for kidney and other issues and also don't find it as satisfying. Please don't confuse LC/HF with high-protein they are unrelated. Many eat LC/HP because they have other reason - valid or not - for not wanting to eat more fat.

I eat LC/HF and my protein is just below the national average at 15% of total calories. So, LC/HF represents no danger, even a hypothetical one, to the kidneys (or any other organs) that we know of.



Guys these are great answers.

The efficacy of low carb/high fat is something i never questioned. It has worked tremendously to lower my blood sugar. I never disputed that.

Its great also to see the positive impact it has had for the lipids

From all the messages i see, the net result i can see is that low carb high fat is good for our BS, cholestrol and weight.

Other than it being expensive and a possible effect on kidneys incase of high proteins, the long term negatives (if any) are not yet well established..

As of now the known benefits outweigh the very little known and unknown (if any ) negatives.

Is this an accurate summary of this discussion ?



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It's not easy going against conventional thinking. I’m neither a physician nor researcher, and so rely on interpretations and conclusions of others, filtered through as much common sense as I can rally. That's true with most things which aren't in our field of study.

That said, this experience with diabetes and seeing mainstream recommendations (from diabetes associations and medical educators) that fly in the face of everything that makes sense, has given me a wake-up call to question everything. When they tell me I have to eat 185 carbs, and I can see instantaneously on my meter how damaging that is, and read day after day that I’m not an exception to the rule – then what I thought was so complicated is suddenly quite simple. As they say ‘follow the money.’

I’m a naïve person. It has difficult for me to accept that healthcare could be corrupted by financial interests on such a massive scale. I’m not a conspiracy theorist, so this has been tough to absorb.

Even harder has been dealing with the issues of cholesterol/statins/heart disease – because these are invisible and complicated. My lipids aren’t good but getting better with low-carb/higher-fat, and I refuse statins. I was told by my retinologist that I have artery hardening beyond my years, and every medical professional says I should be on them. The reasons I won’t are multi-layered (side effects, efficacy, etc), and seeing how wrong conventional ‘wisdom’ is on diabetes management has made it easier to take this stand. Once again one can follow the money.

It seems in 2002 the reference ranges for lipids changed. The only thing lipids affect is LDL and guess what? The value for LDL is the one that changed, the upper level adjusted downwards 30% ! Wonder how many billions that has netted them? http://www.saintfrancislab.com/common/pdfItem.aspx?id=706

I agree it’s tough unravelling years of being taught what we believed were health basics, and going against what the medical community tells us. But – we have an edge, and that is a direct line to measure what’s happening in our bodies via blood glucose. I can be lied to about the invisible, but can’t be lied to about that!
 

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There is no one healthy diet for anyone that is guarntee you are going to live disease free. Life is a gamble. I think we all pretty much know that the worse thing for a diabetic is high bgs. So many of us have figured out following the ADA's high carb diet leads to higher bgs which leads to more glycation and more nerve damage in blood vessels. Low carb leads to less glycation so healthier blood vessels. Most of us have seen all our numbers (lipids and BP's) go down. I got my husband hooked on Coconut Oil last fall. When he went in for his lipid test results the nurse wanted to know what his secret was. He had to tell her eating coconut oil and real meat.
 
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Okay, a higher protein intake may be associated with an increased risk of renal disease.
Most research is now showing this is ONLY in the case of already impaired kidney function.

Meta-analysis showed the link, but further investigation is showing most of the issues were pre-existing. People switching to high-protein should have their kidney function tested prior to doing so.

That being said, LCHF (Low-Carb/High-Fat) isn't always "High-Protein". It is, for most people, moderate protein intake.
 

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Most research is now showing this is ONLY in the case of already impaired kidney function.

Meta-analysis showed the link, but further investigation is showing most of the issues were pre-existing. People switching to high-protein should have their kidney function tested prior to doing so.

That being said, LCHF (Low-Carb/High-Fat) isn't always "High-Protein". It is, for most people, moderate protein intake.
Great, this clarifies my question on proteins as well.

This is a very informative thread !

Thanks for all this information

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Like some here I have a hard time believing the entire medical community is just plain lying to us for the profits of the drug companies. It just doesn't make sense to me. And I abhor the conspiracy theory mentality in general. But the efficacy of LC/HF moderate protein in controlling BG levels is undeniable and compelling. So frankly I live with my feet on both sides of the fence to hedge my bets if you will. By Smorgan's % system I'm about 27/25/48. I stay about 70-80g carbs a day - low GI - limit saturated fats except real butter. I exercise plenty and use a little Levemir (9iu) and Humalog (1-2iu/meal) and all my numbers are great.

So I'm hoping it all works out too like others of you. But I'm also not willing to go as far as Smorgan in terms of percentage on the fat. The articles I've read on high sat fat being problematic are convincing to me and I saw a 1:1 ratio in my LDL going up when I tried eating high fat. And it was my 'B' particles (dense LDL that went higher). So I guess it's not a one size fits all case with LC/HF. Makes it hard to make good decisions - doesn't it. It would be so easy if LC/HF simply worked 100% of the time for all folks.
 
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