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what does it naturally then- there must be alternatives to insulin , even if they are not as effective , but it makes sense to include foods/herbs that have an effect in this way into ya diet
 

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I am not sure what you are asking. There is at best minimal help from some spices and herbs. There is little true scientific evidence to prove long term help. There is minimal evidence that in the short-term, something in the body needs some of these to restore a balance and then the helping effect seems to disappear.

I have written a series of four blogs on natural help. Check you blog site in my signature. I urge reading carefully and following the links. The warnings are well placed and need to be followed as some of the natural remedies can become toxic when too high a dosage is used or they are used for too long a period.

The third in the series seems to have more help over a period of time.
 

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yea

i'm only talking minimal - in the same way regular daily exersize helps blood sugar control
 

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Hey Slide? For a type 1 like yourself, there isn't an alternative to insulin. Natural organic foods & herbs are always a good choice for diet, but not as a substitute for insulin.

Have you considered getting a pump? That might make things easier for you.
 

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except for cinnamon i am finding out that supplements for lowering blood sugar are poor imitations of glyburide meaning they only work if your pancreas has stored insulin to give. i find that a vial of Humulin R given at 2 IU will beat them every time and at Walmart Humulin R cost only $25 for a 10 ml vial plus $2 for 10 syringes, no prescription required. i dislike any glyburide type crap because it destroys any chance of you having a Phase 1 insulin response afterward so your blood sugars will go sky high on as little as 8 grams of carbohydrate after using glyburide or any glyburide type supplement .

and i distrust those supplements grown in Chinese waste dumps {they use the better land to grow food for their workers, wouldn't you?}

Thanks Shanny. You are correct. I did not realize Slide was a T1. I definitely would not recommend he try many of the natural remedies. Many could do more harm than good. My blogs were written for type 2 people with diabetes.
 

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Hey Slide? For a type 1 like yourself, there isn't an alternative to insulin. Natural organic foods & herbs are always a good choice for diet, but not as a substitute for insulin.

Have you considered getting a pump? That might make things easier for you.
sorry, my wording was out -i didn't mean instead of , i meant more like a supplement - thats why i said in a similar way that daily exersize helps to lower bloodsugars......ganga for example can lower blood sugar(the munchies is exzactly that), and there must be a heap of stuff that can help slightly by adding to the effect of insulin...my blood sugars are pretty good -i just thought this would be an interesting post and be food for thought, not a cry for help,altho your concern is appreciated
 

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Glad you brought up the subject, Slide, & it gave us a chance to see Bob's articles & follow the links he includes. Thanks to both of you!

. . . and just ignore my "old mother hen" solicitude . . . :D :D :D

sorry, my wording was out -i didn't mean instead of , i meant more like a supplement - thats why i said in a similar way that daily exersize helps to lower bloodsugars......ganga for example can lower blood sugar(the munchies is exzactly that), and there must be a heap of stuff that can help slightly by adding to the effect of insulin...my blood sugars are pretty good -i just thought this would be an interesting post and be food for thought, not a cry for help,altho your concern is appreciated
 

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... of course, since no one has mentioned a high-fat diet, yet, I will! Limiting carbs and adding more fats will certainly help.

And get a vitamin D level and recommendation from your MD, and take omega-3 fatty acids, while we are at it ...
 

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arn't we taught to avoid fats , as it slows down the intake of the foods to the body , and therefore makes it difficult to work out the optimum time to take insulin, and slow release carbs give us longterm good blood levels - explain further plz
 

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Foxl can explain more and better on this than I can, but what I will say is that the folks who teach the "avoid fats" concept are heavily lobbied by the multiple agricultural industries, who very much want us to continue piling on the grains/fruit/milk (carbs). Just this year, the food pyramid was up for review, and despite a strong outcry from the diabetics of the world, the guidelines remain essentially the same: Heavy on grains, fruit, dairy . . . low on fats & protein (i.e. be sure you use low or fatfree dairy, and for gosh sake don't fry what little meat you DO eat!)

Check it out: New food pyramid

I don't use insulin, but the insulin-dependent people I know take care to keep their carb intake relatively low and the fats intake moderate.
 

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What a very pretty picture - but what does it mean? Frankly in my opinion, not a lot! :D

Way, way back when I was a boy I was taught some basic maths. One of the first points was that when you add things together, it only works when you use the same units. So, you can add two weights together, or two volumes but adding a weight to a volume gets nothing but nonsense.

So why does this pretty picture show a diet composed of volumes added to weights? How do you measure an orange or an apple with a cup? Perhaps because I'm British I can't figure it out?
 

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I hate using volumetric measure, John! Having worked as a bench chemist ... I know better!

I use a food scale.

But even then, the pyramid remains misguided.

"Does your dog get enough cheese?" to quote an ad campaign of eld ...

Here : Fewer than 1 in 20 in U.S. eat enough whole grains - Yahoo! News

This has been galling me ALLLLL WEEKEND.

... enough whole grains for WHAT? To maintain federal subsidies for the farmers????
 

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I think you're right about the reasons for eating whole grains but in my case it's EEC subsidies!

I also agree on volume measures. My wife is a fairly good cook and has collected recipes from far and wide - including the USA. Converting recipes with ingredients expressed as "cups" is a nightmare. In one case she found that the weight of flour in a cup - as measured by her - was only some 50% more than the value expected by the recipe.
 

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fats

from a type 1 point of view , deep fryed fish and chips from an english chippie-i avoid like the plague, purely because , i have tried but i can never get the insulin time for injection right-they say 1/2 an hour after , but it doe'snt work , and i have tired 1 hour after etc , but it is impossible to get right .. the same with a chinese take away meal , which is mostly fried, but i have had much better results by having stuff off the menu that is boiled , and oven chips are easy , cause they are baked , believe me i have tried and tested lots after fried food ....if a type 1 is serious about their bloods then avoid fried -simple
 

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Do you have this problem when you eat fried foods that are only protein - not basically starchy, as are the chips, the noodles, the breading on the fish? If you eat a cod filet fried in butter, with no breading whatever, how does that affect your bg?

What the meals you mention have in common besides being fried, is that they're both very high carb. It could be the fried CARBS that's wrecking your plan, not the frying alone. Many diabetes patients - both insulin-dependent and non-dependent - have recognized that fat plus protein is okay. But fat plus carbs is disastrous.
 

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shanny , i'm talking carb counting to work out units needed, so only carbs rich food, but i never have a problem in high carb meals as i take the insulin as i eat , but if it is a high carb meal and it's fried, then i can never get it right .....type1 good bloods is about the same slow release carb meals at the same time each day-that is really really easy to control , its borring but , longterm high blood sugars are evil and wreck ya body...i've just got back from the beach and had 2 days kite landboarding , and these 2 days are saved for treats
 

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from a type 1 point of view , deep fryed fish and chips from an english chippie-i avoid like the plague, purely because , i have tried but i can never get the insulin time for injection right-they say 1/2 an hour after , but it doe'snt work , and i have tired 1 hour after etc , but it is impossible to get right .. the same with a chinese take away meal , which is mostly fried, but i have had much better results by having stuff off the menu that is boiled , and oven chips are easy , cause they are baked , believe me i have tried and tested lots after fried food ....if a type 1 is serious about their bloods then avoid fried -simple
Yes...I find anything that is carby *and* oily is hard to do. I have to take the bulk of my dose at least an hour after I finish eating it. The oil slows down the digestion of carbs into glucose. I usually avoid them too for the most part.
 

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shanny , i'm talking carb counting to work out units needed, so only carbs rich food, but i never have a problem in high carb meals as i take the insulin as i eat , but if it is a high carb meal and it's fried, then i can never get it right .....type1 good bloods is about the same slow release carb meals at the same time each day-that is really really easy to control , its borring but , longterm high blood sugars are evil and wreck ya body...i've just got back from the beach and had 2 days kite landboarding , and these 2 days are saved for treats
If you use a pump, its a little easier because you can set your bolus as a dual wave to run over a couple of hours. I set mine over a couple of hours with usually only 35% of my bolus right away and the rest spread out. That helps...but it is still pretty hard to get it right. Many times I end up having to take a correction also later to get it back down to where I want it. Its actually easier for me to dose a piece of pie than it is to dose fried chicken....go figure :p
 

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Yes...I find anything that is carby *and* oily is hard to do. I have to take the bulk of my dose at least an hour after I finish eating it. The oil slows down the digestion of carbs into glucose. I usually avoid them too for the most part.
is THAT the problem with pizza?:p
 
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