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Hello Everyone,

Another time to post here for i know in here i will get the answer i need.

You see i am a smoker and we all know how smoking are bad for those who have diabetes. I am looking for alternatives to quit and found this e-cigarettes or what they called "Vaping" instead of "Smoking". I tried it with flavors and the sweet taste concerns me. I tried some research and found out that main ingredients for the liquiq you pour inside before you vape are Propylene glycol (PG) and Vegetable Glycerin (VG).

Anyone who vapes here? Are those two main ingredients bad for me?

They sell those liquids in 10ml per bottle and have no idea on how many in grams or in milligrams those two substance are because what is written on the bottle is so smal! But! i will still find a way to know it.

But yeah, Anyone who knows if those are bad to intake?

More power! And thanky ou in advance for any reply i will get.
 

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Hello Everyone,

Another time to post here for i know in here i will get the answer i need.

You see i am a smoker and we all know how smoking are bad for those who have diabetes. I am looking for alternatives to quit and found this e-cigarettes or what they called "Vaping" instead of "Smoking". I tried it with flavors and the sweet taste concerns me. I tried some research and found out that main ingredients for the liquiq you pour inside before you vape are Propylene glycol (PG) and Vegetable Glycerin (VG).

Anyone who vapes here? Are those two main ingredients bad for me?

They sell those liquids in 10ml per bottle and have no idea on how many in grams or in milligrams those two substance are because what is written on the bottle is so smal! But! i will still find a way to know it.

But yeah, Anyone who knows if those are bad to intake?

More power! And thanky ou in advance for any reply i will get.
While I can't help with your question, I will applaud your efforts for quitting. I quit 5 years ago so I understand your challenges.

Best wished to you!

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Thank you. I am now doing what i think is my first step for my health. I am getting older and quit smoking is on top of my list.

Also while searching is see this...


"Propylene glycol acts as a humectant in some food items. A humectant is a component that preserves moisture. The most common humectant found in food items is in the artificial sweetener Sorbitol. Diabetes sufferers use artificial sweeteners because their bodies cannot process regular sugar. Propylene glycol creates an effect that prevents the development of bacteria and molds. This effect warranted the addition of propylene glycol to Sorbitol because it helps maintain the product’s hygienic quality. In essence, it also acts as a preservative that extends the product's shelf life."


Anyone have bad opinion about it?
 

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"Vegetable glycerin is also known as vegetable glycerol. It is a carbohydrate that is usually derived from plant oils. It is used as a sweetener and as an ingredient in a number of cosmetic products. Vegetable glycerin is also used in place of alcohol to extract botanicals.

Glycerin is an organic compound composed of three carbon atoms, hydrogen atoms, and three OH groups. These OH groups form hydrogen bonds with water, slowing down its movement and giving liquid glycerin the property of a syrup. It is also resistant to freezing, a property used in storing sensitive liquids, such as enzymes, in laboratory freezers.

Food-grade vegetable glycerin is 99.7% pure, with the remaining 0.3% being water. It has a sweet taste, but is metabolized differently than sugar and does not raise blood sugar levels. Glycerin is used in foods marketed as being low in carbohydrates to keep them sweet and moist. It also does not contribute to bacterial tooth decay.

Vegetable glycerin is also used as a substitute for alcohol, in making botanical extracts. The advantage of this is that people who do not want to be exposed to alcohol can still have access to the botanical products. The disadvantage is that the resulting products have a much shorter shelf life."


so both substance is almost the same in nature. and the word " It has a sweet taste, but is metabolized differently than sugar and does not raise blood sugar levels."

Means good for me?

Anyone has a very good knowledge on those 2 and has a bad opinion about it?
 

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Propylene glycol is an organic compound which has ubiquitous applications in everything from food manufacturing to lubrication of industrial equipment. Oral toxicity for both acute and long-term exposure is very low. In humans, PG is metabolized into lactic, pyruvic (a ketone), and acetic (vinegar) acids, all three of which are already naturally found in the human body. The only complication I could see from this would be if you take metformin. Although rare, metformin has been known to potentiate lactic acidosis, a potentially life-threatening condition caused by a build-up of lactic acid. However, it’s doubtful that the amount of lactic acid the PG in your pseudo-cigarette would cause you to metabolize would be sufficient to induce lactic acidosis. The bottom line: propylene glycol is generally recognized as safe and should have a neutral effect on blood sugar concentration.

Vegetable glycerin, more commonly referred to as glycerol, is a polyol alcohol compound. Glycerol is a common food additive which works as a preservative, a sweetener, and thickening agent. Humans metabolize glycerol into a form of triglycerides, phospholipids, and possibly glucose. Since glycerol is an alcohol, it does metabolize like a carbohydrate, although it has a lower glycemic index than sucrose. Thus, it is likely to cause a small increase in your blood sugar, though the amount contained in your pseudo-cigarette is unlikely to make that increase significant (or perhaps even detectible). The bottom line: vegetable glycerin is generally recognized as safe and might produce a modest temporary elevation of blood sugar.

The bottom-bottom line: whatever risks might be involved with the intake of propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin are clearly much smaller than the known risks of cigarette smoking. I applaud you in your decision and action to discontinue smoking. Nicotine is perhaps the most addictive drug to exist, so I highly respect your efforts.
 

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Propylene glycol is an organic compound which has ubiquitous applications in everything from food manufacturing to lubrication of industrial equipment. Oral toxicity for both acute and long-term exposure is very low. In humans, PG is metabolized into lactic, pyruvic (a ketone), and acetic (vinegar) acids, all three of which are already naturally found in the human body. The only complication I could see from this would be if you take metformin. Although rare, metformin has been known to potentiate lactic acidosis, a potentially life-threatening condition caused by a build-up of lactic acid. However, it’s doubtful that the amount of lactic acid the PG in your pseudo-cigarette would cause you to metabolize would be sufficient to induce lactic acidosis. The bottom line: propylene glycol is generally recognized as safe and should have a neutral effect on blood sugar concentration.

Vegetable glycerin, more commonly referred to as glycerol, is a polyol alcohol compound. Glycerol is a common food additive which works as a preservative, a sweetener, and thickening agent. Humans metabolize glycerol into a form of triglycerides, phospholipids, and possibly glucose. Since glycerol is an alcohol, it does metabolize like a carbohydrate, although it has a lower glycemic index than sucrose. Thus, it is likely to cause a small increase in your blood sugar, though the amount contained in your pseudo-cigarette is unlikely to make that increase significant (or perhaps even detectible). The bottom line: vegetable glycerin is generally recognized as safe and might produce a modest temporary elevation of blood sugar.

The bottom-bottom line: whatever risks might be involved with the intake of propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin are clearly much smaller than the known risks of cigarette smoking. I applaud you in your decision and action to discontinue smoking. Nicotine is perhaps the most addictive drug to exist, so I highly respect your efforts.
This means that i am on the right track. Thank you!!! :D
 

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I vape... so does my husband. We both smoked for over 30 years and quit almost immediately when we switched to e-cigarettes - that will be three years ago in July. We have not even tried to quit vaping because we enjoy it and believe that any health risk would be minimal.
We originally used mostly PG as a base and it had no effect on my blood sugar at all. About 6 months ago we switched to mostly VG based as it is smoother on the throat and I enjoy the slight sweetness - it also has no effect on my blood sugar.
The best information about vaping can be found at www.e-cigarette-forum.com. This is an international information exchange forum that does not sell anything. They do have links and information from vendors in separate areas.
E-cigarettes have been wonderful for us - there is some frustration in the beginning as you learn so much so quickly but for us it was well worth it.
 
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I had no idea what "vaping" was until reading this thread. I researched the internet, and think that any blood sugar rise, if any, would be negligible.
 

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Tried to I've up smoking last year and got DM for my trouble after 2 months of quitting. Lol not sure the 2 are related. Anyway Dx was enough stress so started again and not easy to quit.
I have smoked for nearly 40 years (start of high school) so not easy to quit. Anyway just bought 2 cartons but maybe when they are done will try this e- cigarette thing. Just maybe that will get me there.
 

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Tried to I've up smoking last year and got DM for my trouble after 2 months of quitting. Lol not sure the 2 are related. Anyway Dx was enough stress so started again and not easy to quit.
I have smoked for nearly 40 years (start of high school) so not easy to quit. Anyway just bought 2 cartons but maybe when they are done will try this e- cigarette thing. Just maybe that will get me there.
Interesting that I'm not the only person equating quitting smoking with the onset of DM. When I quit I put on 40 pounds which I'm sure lead to IR which went in diagnosed as I never went to any doctor except for eye docs. The Untreated IR which continued untreated to D which was still untreated leading to my DKA.

So did quitting cause the onset or was the onset already there and quitting just magnified the problems?

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I actually blamed the quitting for a while but that may have been the fear and depression at Dx - who knows.
I didn't put on much on quitting and was running around 138. Dropped 20 kg in the month before Dx and put back 10 once DM was under some control. Now dropping slowly and steadily with this WOE and decent control.
A little scared to try quitting again as what next. I know it is not a reasonable fear but it is there.
 

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On a lark, and after reading the OT of 3 weeks ago, I purchased an E-Cigarette and its cartridges. I thoroughly enjoy it, and even though I gave up real cigarettes, 25+ years ago, it has not driven me back to those nasties.

I would think that "vaping" would be a great way for someone wishing to quit the real thing as you are still getting your nicotine fix; albeit without all of the tars and crap the cig companies have put in them.

I can blow smoke rings just like with the real McCoy, but there is no discernable smell. It is not smoke that you are exhaling, just a vapor trail.

If not sure where to get them, check with your local tobacconist.
 
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On a lark, and after reading the OT of 3 weeks ago, I purchased an E-Cigarette and its cartridges. I thoroughly enjoy it, and even though I gave up real cigarettes, 25+ years ago, it has not driven me back to those nasties.

I would think that "vaping" would be a great way for someone wishing to quit the real thing as you are still getting your nicotine fix; albeit without all of the tars and crap the cig companies have put in them.

I can blow smoke rings just like with the real McCoy, but there is no discernable smell. It is not smoke that you are exhaling, just a vapor trail.

If not sure where to get them, check with your local tobacconist.
cheers to you my friend! i already not using the real cigar for 2 weeks now. i enjoy vaping more now with flavored e-juices. i had a chemist test the juices i use and one premium juice stands out from the rest that will have no impact to me or with my D. so anyone who would try vaping might want to have an extra time in finding out what exactly on the juice we inhale. :love:
 
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