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I had to see the certified diabetes educator again this week. So she is impressed with my weight loss and blood pressure, looks at my food journal and says, you aren't eating enough carbs!!!!!! You need 45-60 per meal at least 180 total per day. I average a 100 per day mostly lunch and dinner (I can eat brown rice and sweet potatos for dinner with no probelm). She had uploaded my meter and printed out the numbers so I said well, look what my blood sugar does in the mornings when I increase the carbs. So her response:

Let's increase your metformin to 500 twice a day instead of once and eat more carbs!!!!!!! Seriously??????:eek:

I did put on my bigger girl panties and ask why when carbs are the enemy? Her response, They are not the enemy, they give us energy. BLAH BLAH BLAH

Can't wait to be able to move on when I see a new doctor (an endo)in September.

How do I get a signature at the bottom of my page like everbody else? I want to be cool too!
 

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HOW whack. Glad you are moving on ... I was told that by a CDE too .. EAT MORE CARBS!

My endo AND internist, however, say, "keep doing what you are doing."
 

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How do I get a signature at the bottom of my page like everbody else? I want to be cool too!
You're already cool, but to edit your sig click on "Quick Links" in the black bar, and you'll see 'edit sig' under User Control Panel.

As for the CDE ADA carb thing, I will never in my whole life stop being amazed.
 
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... and since CDEs are most likely hired and supervised by office managers, there is no guarantee they will share the philosophy of the docs they work with ...
 

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American Diabetes Association guidelines call for all those carbs. Depending on their employers' policies, docs and CDEs may be required to provide this bad advice.

Many, however (the Good Ones), will quietly drop the subject when they see you're doing well.

So, welcome to the Carb Resistance! The, ummmm, other club you never wanted to join. :hippie:
 

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"Carb Resistance" - Love it! Want the t-shirt!
 

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Just seen my endo yesterday. I went from eating around 80 carbs to about 25. She said I need atleast 50 per meal (I am 6'3" 208lbs) otherwise my liver would release sugar, throwing everything outta whack.
 

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Actually, I can't help but wonder if your doctor is taking your anxiety/panic disorder into consideration.

Complex carbohydrates do in fact provide energy that helps to feed the nervous system, breaking down faster to provide nourishment for nerves that are out of whack. I got a similar lecture awhile back from my doctor and that was the reason why.

I walk a tightrope between watching and eating the right type of carbs to prevent blowing my blood sugar to kingdom come and taking in the right amount and type of carbs to aid in helping my nerves to continue healing.

Perhaps you could ask your doctor if that was in fact the rationale behind the advice?
 

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Interesting. I have never heard of that before (complex carbs and anxiety). So, what kind of carbs are talking about and how many can you eat?
 

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Interesting. I have never heard of that before (complex carbs and anxiety). So, what kind of carbs are talking about and how many can you eat?
Gotta be complex carbs, simple carbs break down too fast to really provide any help with nervous illness. While simple carbs are fine for people without diabetes, at least in terms of a burst of energy, a burst isn't in the best interests of folks like us. Plus, simple carbs usually don't pack the nutrients of foods with complex carbs, so you are not giving your body much to work with.

And it's important to remember we are still talking carbs here, so measuring portions is a must. Personally, I use a scale to make sure I really am only consuming a single portion. While they are good for working with other tools like therapy, medication, meditation, etc and gradually getting those exhausted nerves back into a normal pace instead of constantly racing, too much of a good thing won't help your nerves or your blood glucose.

As to how many, that will vary based on your own unique combination of ailments and symptoms.

Some examples of complex carbs that provide me with the nutrients I need and also tend to not spike my glucose levels are whole grain breads, oat bran and buckwheat in particular. In the veggie family, broccoli, cauliflower, eggplant, cucumbers, celery and just about all the dark green leafy vegies like kale and spinach do the trick. Legumes like garbanzo beans, kidney beans, black beans and soy beans work for me.

You have to play around a bit and figure out how different foods with complex carbs affect you. For example, a thin slice of buckwheat bread won't cause the increase for me that a slice of whole wheat does, but still gives me the nutrients and fiber I want. Same with some of the legumes. I get more mileage from garbanzo beans than I do from kidney beans with less impact on my glucose level. You, on the other hand, might find the opposite to be true. It's all about identifying which complex carbs give you the right balance of nutrients while creating as little distress on the blood sugar as possible.
 

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I am only posting here because the title of this thread fits. Went to my doctor 10 years ago about a patch of skin that erupted. I thought it was skin cancer she said it was ring worm. I questioned her are you sure it's not skin cancer and she assured me it was not. Treated it with fungal cream. That did little than cortisone cream multiple times over the years. She retired and second doctor also treated it with cortisone cream. Finally got recommended to specialist biopsy - CANCER - seriously I am not impressed.
 

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HardBackStrider, THAT STINKS! Seriously.............. Let us know how it turns out.
 

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re: complex carbs and anxiety: 1) I have heard that, it is part of the "party line."

2) if true: so how come I have NOT had the horrendous adrenal rushes I had experienced before, since diagnosis and beginning to low-carb??

Add to it: needing to avoid liver / kidney gluconoegenesis and constant glucose outpouring, due to low-carb: You could try testing: low carb a week and high carb a week, and see what happens! And present the results to your doctor, too ... :p and let us know.
 

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HardBackStrider ...
Refusal to diagnose. Unforgivable. How are you doing?

To Carb or Not To Carb ...
I certainly don't get an outpouring of glucose from low-carb. To the contrary, it keeps my numbers down nicely.

My moods are a lot more manageable with low-carb -- never expected that! My once-epic brain fog has cleared too. (I asked my nurse-educator about brain fog and diabetes; she said it should be on all the standard symptoms lists. It isn't.)

I think FoxL's suggestion to test one, then the other, is excellent. We're all different, but the one thing good diabetic managers have in common is this: We eat to our meters ... and get in touch with our minds and bodies ... and discover what works best for us.
 

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Dismiss using complex carbs to help recover from anxiety and panic disorders as being part of this nebulous "party line" that seems to be the catch-phrase on this site all you want. It has helped me and it has helped others on the anxiety boards I inhabit.

Since the rule of thumb here seems to be to denigrate and marginalize any ideas that don't fit into a narrow world view, this will be my last post. Best wishes to all of you in your continued efforts to manage your disease.
 

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No, please don't go! We are all for sharing ideas.
 
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Dismiss using complex carbs to help recover from anxiety and panic disorders as being part of this nebulous "party line" that seems to be the catch-phrase on this site all you want. It has helped me and it has helped others on the anxiety boards I inhabit.

Since the rule of thumb here seems to be to denigrate and marginalize any ideas that don't fit into a narrow world view, this will be my last post. Best wishes to all of you in your continued efforts to manage your disease.
Don't go!! Everyone has an opinion and yours might be helpful to someone!!! :)
 

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Dismiss using complex carbs to help recover from anxiety and panic disorders as being part of this nebulous "party line" that seems to be the catch-phrase on this site all you want. It has helped me and it has helped others on the anxiety boards I inhabit.

Since the rule of thumb here seems to be to denigrate and marginalize any ideas that don't fit into a narrow world view, this will be my last post. Best wishes to all of you in your continued efforts to manage your disease.
You sounded very balanced to me, very responsible in trying to find the best balance in addressing your health issues and considerations. Honestly, I didn't see any dismissal or denigration, and hope you'll reconsider.

The main thing I've learned since getting diabetes, which I sorta knew having lived 60 years already, is that the body is bloody complicated! There's an interwoven connection that sometimes makes me feel like working out a healthy plan is like a game of whack-a-mole.

I think looking to diet for help with depression and anxiety is positive and sane. We are over-prescribed anti-depressants in our culture, and I think changing brain chemistry en masse. There were some recent comprehensive reviews of books in the NY Review of Books talking about this very issue - scary stuff. The more natural we can go, the more responsible we're being for our own health.
 
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Dismiss using complex carbs to help recover from anxiety and panic disorders as being part of this nebulous "party line" that seems to be the catch-phrase on this site all you want. It has helped me and it has helped others on the anxiety boards I inhabit.

Since the rule of thumb here seems to be to denigrate and marginalize any ideas that don't fit into a narrow world view, this will be my last post. Best wishes to all of you in your continued efforts to manage your disease.
I did not mean to dismiss your own experience, and apologize if I have done so. That was far from my intent.

If higher levels of complex carbs work for you ... fantastic! I mean that. I tried that, and they don't work for me, for body or mind.

But I don't believe our experiences cancel each other out. Rather, those stark differences prove my main point -- we must each find what works best for us.

Please know, my concern is not with diabetics such as yourself who've found what works for you, and are following a regimen completely different from my own. You and I are both right!

My main wish is that medical professionals would urge each one of us to find our own paths, and not try to push us into any one diet or program.

Currently, the American Diabetes Association pushes higher carbs than many of us can handle, and refuses to acknowledge any alternatives. That's a "party line." If, on the other hand, they tried to force low-carb on those who must eat higher carbs -- that, too, would be a "party line," and every bit as egregious.

But, as it is now -- diabetics like me, who must go low-carb or live with complications and risk DKA or worse, often find no support from our medical teams. For us, most "diabetic" cookbooks, foods and restaurant menus are bad jokes. Admittedly, all of this can make one testy. But my complaints are directed squarely against the medical establishment -- not at you.

I believe there's room for both of us here.
 
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