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I read something about supplements for Diabetes which I copy from somewhere..


I wonder if this help us in a long run to manage our health and Diabetes?

Can someone explain what the supplements use for in laymen terms?

And anyone tried some of the supplements below and found it working to maintain morning fasting sugars levels?


Any advice would help and Thank you in Advance!

Benfotiamin 150 mg- capsules
A-Lipoic acid 300 mg capsules (2 a day for each of you)
Acetyl L Carnitine 500 mg capsules. (2 a day for each of you)
Arginine 500 mg caps (4 a day for each of you)
Co-Q-10 200 mg caps. (1 a day for each of you)
Milk thistle extract, 175 mg. 4 a day for everyone
No flush Niacin (hexaniacinate) 500mg caps. 2 a day for everyone.
If everyone is taking the Life supplement then the rest is covered. If not then there are more basics you will need to take such as magnesium, potassium, vit. B12, vit B6 and others

Please make sure you get capsules and NOT tablet form.
 

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Before taking any supplement, make sure that you FULLY understand what it is, how it works, is you are really deficient or just supplementing hoping it will help, possible negative effects, the dose, etc. You should discuss it with your doctor before taking any supplement.

Here are some short reasons why the listed supplements may be helpful for some people.

  • l-carnitine is thought to affect the gene expression of several key genes in the liver. It up-regulated genes associated with glucose and fatty acid uptake and down-regulated gluconeogenesis (your liver creating glucose from protein. Here is a study Effect of L-carnitine on the hepatic transcript profile in piglets as animal model. That being said carnitine is found in red meat, and other natural sources. No need to supplement.
  • A-Lipoic acid (alpha lipoic acid) is an antioxidant. It is thought to improve insulin sensitivity, though maybe the high dose required for this effect is too much to make it worth doing.
  • Niacin. High doses may increase your HDL, but can come with uncomfortable side-effects (burning, tingling, flushing, etc). Whether or not artificially raising your HDL has any effect on CVD is unproven. In fact, one study shows that it may increase your risk of stroke.
  • CoQ10 is an enzyme that is vital to a whole bunch of your body's daily functions. Read The Most Beneficial Health Supplement You’ve Probably Never Heard Of–CoQ10! « Jimmy Moore's Livin' La Vida Low Carb Blog for the run down.
  • Milk thistle contains Silymarin which is an antioxidant. It's thought to improve insulin sensitivity, help control adrenal imbalance, etc. It can cause diarrhea.

Just a note on antioxidants, they are associated with a whole bunch of positive effects. I was just listing the most notable associations with the particular supplement. To truly understand the effect of an antioxidant, it helps to understand what they are and how they work (i.e. understand the effects of oxidation in the body).

That said, I supplement the more garden variety items first (magnesium, calcium, potassium, folate) because they are often too low in most people's diet (and blood tests showed that I was deficient). The magnesium and potassium had the biggest effect on improving my day to day (no headaches!). I don't put too much stock in any supplement significantly reducing blood sugar.
 

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I will add the shotgun approach didn't seem to work well with me. The best use of herbals and supp is to determine as best you can what your particular problems are thru observation. Digestion, Insulin Resistance, Insulin release, Signaling problems, etc. I treat herbals and supps as if they were drugs, which they are.
 

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I have cut way back on the supplements I take. I still take CoQ10, Calcium , B-12 and a multivitamin. I take melatonin at night to help me relax. I try to get most of my vitamins and minerals from the food I eat.
 

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Before taking any supplement, make sure that you FULLY understand what it is, how it works, is you are really deficient or just supplementing hoping it will help, possible negative effects, the dose, etc. You should discuss it with your doctor before taking any supplement.

Here are some short reasons why the listed supplements may be helpful for some people.

  • l-carnitine is thought to affect the gene expression of several key genes in the liver. It up-regulated genes associated with glucose and fatty acid uptake and down-regulated gluconeogenesis (your liver creating glucose from protein. Here is a study Effect of L-carnitine on the hepatic transcript profile in piglets as animal model. That being said carnitine is found in red meat, and other natural sources. No need to supplement.
  • A-Lipoic acid (alpha lipoic acid) is an antioxidant. It is thought to improve insulin sensitivity, though maybe the high dose required for this effect is too much to make it worth doing.
  • Niacin. High doses may increase your HDL, but can come with uncomfortable side-effects (burning, tingling, flushing, etc). Whether or not artificially raising your HDL has any effect on CVD is unproven. In fact, one study shows that it may increase your risk of stroke.
  • CoQ10 is an enzyme that is vital to a whole bunch of your body's daily functions. Read The Most Beneficial Health Supplement You’ve Probably Never Heard Of–CoQ10! « Jimmy Moore's Livin' La Vida Low Carb Blog for the run down.
  • Milk thistle contains Silymarin which is an antioxidant. It's thought to improve insulin sensitivity, help control adrenal imbalance, etc. It can cause diarrhea.

Just a note on antioxidants, they are associated with a whole bunch of positive effects. I was just listing the most notable associations with the particular supplement. To truly understand the effect of an antioxidant, it helps to understand what they are and how they work (i.e. understand the effects of oxidation in the body).

That said, I supplement the more garden variety items first (magnesium, calcium, potassium, folate) because they are often too low in most people's diet (and blood tests showed that I was deficient). The magnesium and potassium had the biggest effect on improving my day to day (no headaches!). I don't put too much stock in any supplement significantly reducing blood sugar.
Thank you so much for taking so much time in replying to this.. I appreciate it! I will print this out and speak to my dr when I see him tomorrow!!
 

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Before taking any supplement, make sure that you FULLY understand what it is, how it works, is you are really deficient or just supplementing hoping it will help, possible negative effects, the dose, etc. You should discuss it with your doctor before taking any supplement.

Here are some short reasons why the listed supplements may be helpful for some people.

  • l-carnitine is thought to affect the gene expression of several key genes in the liver. It up-regulated genes associated with glucose and fatty acid uptake and down-regulated gluconeogenesis (your liver creating glucose from protein. Here is a study Effect of L-carnitine on the hepatic transcript profile in piglets as animal model. That being said carnitine is found in red meat, and other natural sources. No need to supplement.
  • A-Lipoic acid (alpha lipoic acid) is an antioxidant. It is thought to improve insulin sensitivity, though maybe the high dose required for this effect is too much to make it worth doing.
  • Niacin. High doses may increase your HDL, but can come with uncomfortable side-effects (burning, tingling, flushing, etc). Whether or not artificially raising your HDL has any effect on CVD is unproven. In fact, one study shows that it may increase your risk of stroke.
  • CoQ10 is an enzyme that is vital to a whole bunch of your body's daily functions. Read The Most Beneficial Health Supplement You’ve Probably Never Heard Of–CoQ10! « Jimmy Moore's Livin' La Vida Low Carb Blog for the run down.
  • Milk thistle contains Silymarin which is an antioxidant. It's thought to improve insulin sensitivity, help control adrenal imbalance, etc. It can cause diarrhea.

Just a note on antioxidants, they are associated with a whole bunch of positive effects. I was just listing the most notable associations with the particular supplement. To truly understand the effect of an antioxidant, it helps to understand what they are and how they work (i.e. understand the effects of oxidation in the body).

That said, I supplement the more garden variety items first (magnesium, calcium, potassium, folate) because they are often too low in most people's diet (and blood tests showed that I was deficient). The magnesium and potassium had the biggest effect on improving my day to day (no headaches!). I don't put too much stock in any supplement significantly reducing blood sugar.
I can vouch for the carnitine, I took 5-6 grams a day along with 45 grams of fish oil for 2 months. My HDL went up 4 pts and my trigs went down from 59 to 38.
 

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JT,

Not sure if you live near one in Australia. COSTCO sells a vitamin pack. (I forget the brand name) of several vitamins geared towards the diabetic.

Fish oil, CQ 10 and Cinnamon are good supplemets. Also every 6 weeks I inject b-12
 

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Saw and visited My 2 GPs disagree with me on getting or taking other supplements then i needed..

They said, why do you need supplements when you can get them from food and veggies?

They even mention supplements might lead you to a shorter life or may cause more side effect in a long term usage.

SO my Question is, Long term is how long ?
 

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JT,

Not sure if you live near one in Australia. COSTCO sells a vitamin pack. (I forget the brand name) of several vitamins geared towards the diabetic.

Fish oil, CQ 10 and Cinnamon are good supplemets. Also every 6 weeks I inject b-12
HI Talon,

Yes, there is COSTCO in my town.. I brought the Vit D from COSTCO and it was cheaper then anyplace else.. But I didnt see the multi vitamin pack.

I will check it if i go there next week. Thanks for the information :)
 

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Saw and visited My 2 GPs disagree with me on getting or taking other supplements then i needed..

They said, why do you need supplements when you can get them from food and veggies?

They even mention supplements might lead you to a shorter life or may cause more side effect in a long term usage.

SO my Question is, Long term is how long ?

What I have noticed is that doctors who do not prescribe to herbs and supps do not want to take the time to understand how and why they work so they dissmiss them entirely.
 
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Saw and visited My 2 GPs disagree with me on getting or taking other supplements then i needed..

They said, why do you need supplements when you can get them from food and veggies?

They even mention supplements might lead you to a shorter life or may cause more side effect in a long term usage.

SO my Question is, Long term is how long ?
JT, Hard to say :)How long that would be...

As for the supplements shortening our life span WOW!, never have heard of that before. I've been taking them for a very very long time. Guess when I go we can say it was all those Dyamn supplements he took ;)

I do agree that not all things organic are good for you, some are meant to poison,paralyze cause havoc in general. Some you must be careful not to take to much of (overdose).

However the supplements we take OTC rarely cause us any harm,unless we develop and allergy to them. Our bodies will take what it needs from the supplements then sends the leftovers away.

Anyway, once I moved my diabetes care from my GP to a Endocrinologist has helped me manage things more specifically. I also have a Neurologist (neuro muscular), a Cardiologist and a Otolaryngologist.

So with as many specialist as I have I feel like a Stretch Armstrong doll:eek:
 

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Saw and visited My 2 GPs disagree with me on getting or taking other supplements then i needed..

They said, why do you need supplements when you can get them from food and veggies?

They even mention supplements might lead you to a shorter life or may cause more side effect in a long term usage.

SO my Question is, Long term is how long ?
I agree with Marty that many doctors don't understand supplements. There are many vitamins that are difficult to get a good amount of through food alone. For example, the reason why table salt contains iodine is because of how we farm. It depletes the soil of iodine (and other minerals) and it caused the entire population to become deficient. So it was decided that the best way to fix the problem was to iodize salt. However if you avoid salt, then you are going to have problems getting enough from your food. Just an example of how it's not as easy as your doc makes it sound.

If you are interested in trying this out on your own, I suggest you research a single one, identify the best kind to get (e.g. magnesium citrate is absorbed MUCH better than magnesium oxide) and try it for a month. Watch for any changes, good or bad and decide if it's worth taking or not.

I disagree with the statement that supplements shorten lifespan. Do sick people tend to take more supplements, of course. Does that mean that it's causing them to live shorter lives, absolutely not.
 

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The tough part is that so many foods now a days lack the nutrients we need. Long ago that wasnt the case. Supplements are important. Good to have a doctor who is interested in beyond the perscriptions.
 

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I've tried a number of supplements for me they did little or nothing.I now take a baby asprin and a vitamin thats it. and save my money from buying all the others .
 

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Seems like it is hard to know or listen to which GP or Dietitians or Diabetic Educators..

Everyone seems to say a different thing when come to diet or Supplements..

And For us laymen, What do we know or how do we know or who do we listen what diet or supplements is good for us from different bodies?
 

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You know the old saying "too much of anything is bad for you"? This holds true for vitamins and minerals. Our bodies require very very tiny amounts on daily basis to function properly. Too much can cause problems just as too little can. I've read numerous studies in the past (more geared towards bodybuilders and athletes) and every time the end result was, the only people who need supplements are those who are lacking in their diet, have absorption problems, or for a medical reason.

A lot of people take supplements having no idea if they actually need them or not. Never having their levels tested.
 

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The supplements I use each have a purpose which is related to my diabetes or the meds I take for my diabetes. For instance, I use supplemental vitamin B12 because metformin can leech B12 out of my system. Because B12 deficiency is linked with peripheral neuropathy, I try to stay ahead of that issue.

The other supplements follow the same way - fish oil capsules to increase omega3 fatty acids & improve lipids profile.

Alpha lipoic acid is a potent antioxidant which also aids in controlling glucose by contributing to insulin sensitivity.

So as the others have said, determine if there's a deficiency & then research the supplementary options before making a move. The shotgun method will lighten your wallet more than anything.
 

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It's something im very interested in, but know very little about

I need to read up more, difficult to know who to listen to
 

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There are things you can do yourself to see if you need a particular supp or herb. I fasted for several mornings just to see how high my BG level went before my pancreas kicked in. I got up 150 on most occasions around 11:00 am or so then finally started back down. But this told me I had insulin, I just had a signaling problem. I then read an article on GLP-1 which is a trigger for insulin and your liver and can be facilitated thru the use of a small amount of sugar and art sweeteners. Your body can not distinguish the difference when consumed in conjunction with each other so it responds accordingly. 4 grams of sugar, 4 packets of art sweetener in some lemon juice was all it took in the morning to get the result I was looking for. An immediate bump of 10-15 pts then insulin kicked in and a steady fall till lunch. This re-enforced the notion I had insulin but needed to help trigger its release. I then looked up herbs that help with GLP-1, Dandelion root, Milk Thistle, coffee (chlorogenic acid). I still take these herbs on occasion, but the effects seem to last a long time after consumption.
 
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