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All the recommendations on this site are for LCHF eating, but too much fat always makes me feel really nauseated. When I tried doing "Whole 30" (gave up after 8 days due to carb flu and cravings) they say to have a thumb size portion of fat with every meal, and that made me feel really sick. I included butter, olive oil, bacon, other fatty bits of meat. Is it something you get used to? Does that feeling of having a stomach full of grease stop happening?

NB Whole 30 isn't specifically low carb but it cuts out sugar, grains, dairy, alcohol, soy and white potatoes which doesn't leave you with many sources of starch.
 

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"Carb flu" can take a couple of weeks to subside. Hot broth and lots of snacks, such as cheese, nuts and deli meats, can help you through.

As for the problems with fat -- if you're eating breads, noodles, rice and such, there may be something else going on. I ran into something similar.

Before my diagnosis, a lot of my beloved fatty foods started to give me all kinds of distress, so I started to give stuff up. One such food was chorizo (a Mexican sausage).

A few months after I started on LCHF, we went to a Mexican place where the only thing I could eat was a chorizo omelet (no rice or beans). I was hungry, we were rushed, and the only other food sources around had absolutely nothing I could eat.

So, with great trepidation, I got the omelet. And felt absolutely fine! My meter liked it, too.

After a few more experiments in trial-and-terror, I figured out that it was the combination of carbs with fatty foods that got me -- not the fats themselves.

Might be worth some experimenting of your own.
 

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My experience bears out what Shalynne says - fats are fine in the absence of carbs, but taken with carbs they can cause a lot of misery.

As for the Whole30 plan . . . is this something you can sustain indefinitely? In order to control your high blood sugar for the rest of your life, you need something more than a 'cleanse'. Study up on the basic LCHF way-of-eating, and use it along with eat-to-your-meter. This will provide you with meals & menus tailored to your own tolerances and preferences, and a blueprint you can follow forever.
 

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All the recommendations on this site are for LCHF eating, but too much fat always makes me feel really nauseated. When I tried doing "Whole 30" (gave up after 8 days due to carb flu and cravings) they say to have a thumb size portion of fat with every meal, and that made me feel really sick. I included butter, olive oil, bacon, other fatty bits of meat. Is it something you get used to? Does that feeling of having a stomach full of grease stop happening?

NB Whole 30 isn't specifically low carb but it cuts out sugar, grains, dairy, alcohol, soy and white potatoes which doesn't leave you with many sources of starch.
Yes, it is most likely something you get used to. It was in my case. I have never believed in making sudden changes. Don't do any "diet". Just change your WOE slowly over time. Gradually remove most carbs and excess protein. You probably only need something like 40-60g of protein per day depending on size and activity level. If you feel hungry, replace what you cut with good fats. The ones you mentioned are fine.

No matter how good a way of eating is, if it is different from what you've been doing, your body needs time to adjust. Your gall bladder may need to come back "on-line". Your entire digestive system will need to learn to provide a different mix of enzymes to the small intestine to best process what you are putting in. This may take time.

Eventually, you will find that the "queasy" feeling was actually extreme satiety. You just weren't accustomed to it. Once you get used to it, you realize that all that fat gives extreme satisfaction and the gnawing, annoying hunger of high-carb eating becomes a thing of the past.

But, if this diet you speak of is both high (i.e., "normal") carb and high-fat, that's a big mistake and there could be many other issues going on here. The fat you add should ONLY be replacing carbs (FIRST) and excess protein in your diet, not eating more.
 

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Thanks for the replies. I just realised I said I was eating butter but that obviously wasn't the case with no dairy! I don't think Whole30 is sustainable it was just something I tried as a kick start (without success). I've tried many things to lose weight over the years!

Maybe if I increase fats gradually it will be better as smorgan suggests. At present, the idea of eating a teaspoon of butter by itself - as someone delighted over on another thread - really turns my stomach! I've never been a "low-fat" person, nor a carb addict (compared to my husband, for instance!) but these things are relative and compared to you guys I'm still very high carb (about 150gms per day) and medium fat. When I cut right down on carbs I get very unpleasant to live with, both from the outside and from the inside of my head. Miserable and cranky. Still trying to work out how to manage the transition without my husband leaving me!
 

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I'm in a "mixed marriage," myself. I (eventually, slowly) learned to tell my husband, flat out, what I was going to do, and what the fallout would be.

Fortunately, when it comes to "carb flu," we're only talking a couple of weeks, give or take. Husband can be asked to stand ready with hot broth and appropriate, low-carb snacks.

We're dealing with life-threatening issues here -- plus a world (including husbands and others near-and-dear) who cannot possibly understand. Here's where our needs must come first.

Over time, I've found that frank talk, without going into too much obsessive detail, is the best course. This is yet another trial-and-terror thing. We must each learn what works with our own families and social circles.

As for Whole30 ... well many of us start out with a specific program ... for starters. For some, it's South Beach, for others, Atkins. From what I've seen, most of us cannot stick with any one book or program. Eventually, we must each develop our own. Eat-to-your-meter (as Shanny recommends) is the way to find our best path.
 

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And as Salim says, the fats are used to REPLACE carbs. I think you'll discover that the crankiness is less likely when the carbs are gone - replaced by fats.

And eating butter - in the event that you decide to dump Whole30 - is certainly not the only way to add fats to your meals. Foods like avocado, macadamia nuts, eggs, olives, cream, sour cream & real cheeses (again if dumping Whole30) will make your fats intake a lot more pleasant. This isn't a case of a greasy mass lying dead in your stomach. It's fuel for energy that your body will use when you get it off the carbs/glucose roller coaster. It's even possible that the thought of that stomach full of grease is causing a lot of the queasiness.
 

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Sorry for any confusion - I am not currently doing Whole30, I only managed eight days some time ago. Currently just reducing carbs to 1-2 "serves" per meal/snack and testing.
 

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Does 'serves' refer to a 15-gram serving of carbs, making your two portions per meal or snack run over 100g per day? And when you test, are you doing it according to eat-to-your-meter (at the one-hour interval after first bite, and again at the two-hour interval) and what are the numbers those tests reveal?
 

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Yes 15g serves, yes over 100g of carb per day, and yes testing regularly. The numbers vary depending on which carbs I eat - I'm still learning what gives me a spike. For example after a rice noodle, pork and vegetable stir-fry I was 9.1 (163) at 1 hour and 9.8 (176) at 2 hours but after a toasted cheese sandwich (2 slices of low-GI white bread, cheese, butter) I was only 6.3 (113) and 5.9 (106). Hence I am testing regularly to learn what I can and can't eat.
 

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Yes 15g serves, yes over 100g of carb per day, and yes testing regularly. The numbers vary depending on which carbs I eat - I'm still learning what gives me a spike. For example after a rice noodle, pork and vegetable stir-fry I was 9.1 (163) at 1 hour and 9.8 (176) at 2 hours but after a toasted cheese sandwich (2 slices of low-GI white bread, cheese, butter) I was only 6.3 (113) and 5.9 (106). Hence I am testing regularly to learn what I can and can't eat.
Seems like your eating the SAD (stardard american diet), which fails for Diabetics. We eat to our meters and count carb on a one by one gram basis. If you eat a 15 g carb exchange then we count 15 carbs not one. Yeah I've know this is what the doctor's and dieticians has espoused for the last 40 years, but we are living proof that carbs are not necessary and deadly for people with diabetes.
 

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Sometimes it is the 'type' of fat that doesn't agree. I get very nauseous and a horrible headache from coconut oil. I don't do well with a lot of saturated either but I do great with avocado, moderate portions of nuts, reasonable amounts of macadamia or olive oils, olives and the fats that come with my P. I don't need to add a lot of extra fats to meals. Just normal amounts. I still eat 80% fat, 15P and 5 c but all in green veggies.

You can put sandwich toppings on a salad or piece of romaine. You could 'toast' your cheese sandwich on a piece of turkey or other meat. You can still have your stir fry but without the rice. You do not need the carbs, it's a recipe for disaster.

I do a version of Whole 30 but I mostly consider it unprocessed foods. I don't do well with dairy and I eliminate all starch and sugars. It could also be called a version of Atkins but no processed foods. As others have said no one diet works for every one but LCHF works the best for all diabetics. You jut have to find the foods that work for you.
 

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Wow, I decided to go 'cold turkey' when I started following the LCHF life on 5/1/15! I wanted to get through the transition as fast as possible and change my health to a better model as fast as possible. Over the first two weeks I targeted to eat less than 50g of carbs a day. Over the first two weeks I had some days I got a little 'flu' but nothing to bad. I also had a few afternoons where I got very sleepy, which I found out was due to low salt, as when you move to a true LCHF model, your body moves a lot of water out of your system, which in turn messes with your salt. I increased my salt intake, and that cured that problem.

I think getting on this life style is like quitting smoking....if you do not just stop doing the bad, it just keeps being a problem! Consider going LCHF....targeting 50 or less carbs per day....then in a week or two, things will settle for you.

As for butter, it is great mixed into a hot broth, and add a little salt also....!

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NB Whole 30 isn't specifically low carb but it cuts out sugar, grains, dairy, alcohol, soy and white potatoes which doesn't leave you with many sources of starch.
What makes you think that you need sources of starch?
 

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Natalie - I, too, had to slowly increase fats in order to reach my goals. I reduced carbs down to 30g a day right from the start. The carb-withdrawal for me was only a few days, thankfully. But it took over a year to increase fats to where the diet was most effective, and a couple years to be willing to eat some fatty things like chicken skins, or the fat on a steak. A change in diet does take some time to get used to. You can slowly reduce carbs, but know that this will prolong the transition and accompanying ill feeling until you get the total per day under 50g.
 

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Shanny: I aim for under 7.8 mmol/L (140)

Roxanne0312: I thought I was eating a lot less carbs than the SAD diet. My diabetes educator (Australia) told me to eat up to 60g of carb in a meal, I'm eating half that. And testing to see if it's ok. Some things are, some aren't. So isn't that eating to my meter? Are you saying I should ignore my meter and avoid carbs regardless of what my meter says?

Kristin251: I hate coconut oil! It's such a craze at the moment. I think I actually might be intolerant to coconut. But I eat just about any other fat. Using lettuce instead of bread is good - one favourite is "fajitas" with lettuce instead of tortillas. But I love bread too, and lots of other processed frankenfoods. It's hard to give up.

div2live: I think you're probably right about going cold turkey. But I've been trying and failing to modify my diet for 20 years. I try making baby steps, I try making big changes, like many dieters I've tried everything. But we have an advertisement here about giving up smoking that is something like "each attempt is one step closer to success" so I keep on trying. I do laugh at the idea of increasing my salt though - I eat so much already!

RCG: I don't think I need starch. I was just saying that Whole30 doesn't call itself low carb, but it is really because it cuts out most starch.

VeeJay: Thanks for the encouragement. I think I actually already eat quite a lot of fat, I should do some tracking while I not on a low-calorie diet and I might be surprised at my percentages! I've always loved chicken skin etc and only avoid fat when on a low calorie diet because it is so calorie-dense. And before everyone jumps on me, I'm not on a low calorie diet right now! I'm talking about the past.

Thanks for all the responses everyone! I appreciate it.
 

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Thirty grams per meal is way too much.

Fifty per day is the place to start.
 

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I know I am intolerant to coco oil or anything coco. too bad because I like it. Who doesn't lov3 bread and Franken food? But I do love my real food too. Our taste buds change. I love it all so I stick to the good stuff. I love good BS best and the way I feel with it. I have to be 20 c or less a day even on insulin so what does that say?

Try Myfitnesspal.com and track for a few days. I bet you will be surprised! I find the type of fat makes a big difference for me. Some great, some not so great. Avocado and mayo are great. Fat in my fish too. Bacon grease and cheese not so much. Just pay attention to your body.
 

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Natalie.....I too have tried for years to diet, all ending in failure. What you have to understand is that changing what you eat vs. reducing caloric content or reducing volume is not a DIET! All you are doing is dropping carbs for fat!

So no more potatoes, but you eat more creamy cheesy sauces.
You eat no more crackers or chips, but you eat more salty fried pork rinds drenched in Salsa.
Stop eating candy and baked sugary snacks and eat Walnuts and Pecans lightly roasted. Etc., etc. ...

you do not diet, if you are hungry eat! Eat all you want...what you will find is that you will lose your cravings for sweets, starches, bread, etc. You will eat less, you will feel full and food will actually taste much better.....

Stop thinking diet and start thinking change what I eat...but eat all you want...!

Check out our recipe section and you will be amazed at the options we have come up with....! You can do this.....
 
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