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Greetings. I was diagnosed in 9/2009. As of now, I have normal BG by means of what I eat and don't eat. Here is my signature block which pretty well sums it up:

Salim Morgan, T2
58 Years
DX: 9/2009 A1C=10.7
A1C 2/2010: 6.7 (DX + 4 months)
A1C 5/2010: 6.0 (DX + 8 months)
A1C 8/2010: 5.7 (DX + 11 months)
A1C 11/2010: 5.1 (DX + 14 months)
Diet: Approximately C:10;P:15;F:75 (as % calories)
Ketogenic (Most of the time)
Exercise: 24 minute bike ride 5 days/wk
NO MEDS, No Highs, No Lows
Grandkids: 11
 

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Hi, Salim. I usually tell newbies to ask plenty of questions, but with great bg numbers like yours, seems like we should be asking you. Gald you found us, welcome to the forum.
 

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Thanks. I'm not very new to diabetes or to discussing on forums. I just seemed to keep getting banned everywhere when I talk about the success I am experiencing with addressing it by what I eat and don't eat.


Hi, Salim. I usually tell newbies to ask plenty of questions, but with great bg numbers like yours, seems like we should be asking you. Gald you found us, welcome to the forum.
 

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Well Salim, many of us are pretty picky about what we eat/don't eat, so you'll prob'ly fit right in here. ;) And we don't take much notice of what other forums do . . . we just stumble around over here doing the best we know how. Welcome aboard! Make yourself at home. :D
 

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Hi Salim Morgan

Hi Salim Morgan,

i read with amusement your verbal battles with the die hard dogmatic insulin lovers on another forum. they seem to be convinced that injected insulin is the final and only solution to insulin resistance. maybe they are just tired of looking for a real answer to their problems and have consoled themselves to being drug addicts. if they can do it without the characteristic need to forever increase their dose of that addictive drug then it is ok for them i suppose, but when i try that my need for insulin keeps increasing. it was a bit like when i lived in California, the cost of living was always 10 % higher than what you made.

many of us here believe that reducing carbs for people with a damaged pancreas and insulin resistance is a sane approach.

after suffering the wrath of the dogmatic insulin fanatics i stopped posting much on that forum.

but then, unlike you, i am a supplement freak and strongly pursue my attempts to lower my insulin resistance along with reducing carbs which is not all that welcome anywhere.

you do seem to loudly proclaim your own final solution for type 2 diabetics which i find mostly true but to my mind incomplete for my 13 year old advanced diabetes. at my base carb/insulin ratio of 1 to 1 there is no way in hell that your plan will work for me because at even the hint of excess protein my blood sugar starts rising at a rate of 10 mg/dl per hour until my weakened kidneys start dumping nutrients at 174 mg/dl blood sugar. with any carbohydrates my readings are easily 350 mg/dl or more.

anyway, welcome aboard! :peace:

ColaJim


Greetings. I was diagnosed in 9/2009. As of now, I have normal BG by means of what I eat and don't eat. Here is my signature block which pretty well sums it up:

Salim Morgan, T2
58 Years
DX: 9/2009 A1C=10.7
A1C 2/2010: 6.7 (DX + 4 months)
A1C 5/2010: 6.0 (DX + 8 months)
A1C 8/2010: 5.7 (DX + 11 months)
A1C 11/2010: 5.1 (DX + 14 months)
Diet: Approximately C:10;P:15;F:75 (as % calories)
Ketogenic (Most of the time)
Exercise: 24 minute bike ride 5 days/wk
NO MEDS, No Highs, No Lows
Grandkids: 11
 
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welcome Salim :) we're all different and we all have different ways we manage our condition... as long as it works for us that's the main thing. What you're eating obviously works for you.... I'm sure you're feeling great too. :D
 

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Welcome!! We're glad you found us. I hope you come back around often. We like to share advice and listen to others. Hope you fit in well and come back often!
 

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Welcome!! We're glad you found us. I hope you come back around often. We like to share advice and listen to others. Hope you fit in well and come back often!
Salim does not "fit in", he has his own agenda right in his signature "Ketogenic (Most of the time)", but he will have fewer hard nosed old timer insulin addicts to deal with here, and he is pro "as little or no injected insulin" which does fit in somewhat with the low carb attitude on this forum.

notice if i agree with something it is an "attitude", but if i disagree with something it is "fanaticism". :D

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Welcome to this forum, Salim. I know you from "that other" forum and know how difficult it was at times to be understood considering all the differing opinions on that forum. While I don't always agree with everything you write, I DO respect your right to state your own views and, in the end, that's all that matters.
 

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My problem is not so much the insulin crowd as I always take pains to state "hey, that's another solution". Rather, it is the moderators - especially the T1s who seem to take it personally and eventually ban me. (Three times now)

As for your case, if you look carefully, I frequently qualify what I say that it does not apply to T1s at all or to T2s who are "late-stage" or whatever would be a good word to describe what you mentioned.

For those with some significant insulin-capacity left (just guessing, I'd say 30% or more remaining) an insulin-lowering (ketogenic) diet is likely all that is needed. Clearly, if the condition is too advanced that might not be sufficient by itself. Nonetheless, I believe the intended group is the majority of T2s and as early detection continues to improve will be a larger and larger part.

I'm glad you mentioned protein. I get really tired of those either pro- or anti- low-carb who only look at carb counts. In the early 20th century when they scientifically developed a very precise diet to minimize insulin (to cure epilepsy), they looked at the ratio of all three macronutrients. That's what I do. Comparing notes just based on <30g of carbs, etc. is pointless since that can mean a wide range of things in reality and that's a big reason for the endless arguments.

I wasn't clear if on your scale I just have "attitude" or I'm a "fanatic"?


Hi Salim Morgan,

i read with amusement your verbal battles with the die hard dogmatic insulin lovers on another forum. they seem to be convinced that injected insulin is the final and only solution to insulin resistance. maybe they are just tired of looking for a real answer to their problems and have consoled themselves to being drug addicts. if they can do it without the characteristic need to forever increase their dose of that addictive drug then it is ok for them i suppose, but when i try that my need for insulin keeps increasing. it was a bit like when i lived in California, the cost of living was always 10 % higher than what you made.

many of us here believe that reducing carbs for people with a damaged pancreas and insulin resistance is a sane approach.

after suffering the wrath of the dogmatic insulin fanatics i stopped posting much on that forum.

but then, unlike you, i am a supplement freak and strongly pursue my attempts to lower my insulin resistance along with reducing carbs which is not all that welcome anywhere.

you do seem to loudly proclaim your own final solution for type 2 diabetics which i find mostly true but to my mind incomplete for my 13 year old advanced diabetes. at my base carb/insulin ratio of 1 to 1 there is no way in hell that your plan will work for me because at even the hint of excess protein my blood sugar starts rising at a rate of 10 mg/dl per hour until my weakened kidneys start dumping nutrients at 174 mg/dl blood sugar. with any carbohydrates my readings are easily 350 mg/dl or more.

anyway, welcome aboard! :peace:

ColaJim
 

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Welcome Salim. This is a great place for support. Not quite as political as some of the other forums we frequent. We are all here to help each other. I also use a Ketogenic diet although I do need metformin to help with the IR. My philosophy is to use whatever works.
 

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My problem is not so much the insulin crowd as I always take pains to state "hey, that's another solution". Rather, it is the moderators - especially the T1s who seem to take it personally and eventually ban me. (Three times now)
I've had some run-ins with that one myself! ;) I left before I got banned . . . handwriting on the wall, y'know . . . :D
 

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I remember you well. Very glad you're here, too.

My problem is not so much the insulin crowd as I always take pains to state "hey, that's another solution". Rather, it is the moderators - especially the T1s who seem to take it personally and eventually ban me. (Three times now)

As for your case, if you look carefully, I frequently qualify what I say that it does not apply to T1s at all or to T2s who are "late-stage" or whatever would be a good word to describe what you mentioned.

For those with some significant insulin-capacity left (just guessing, I'd say 30% or more remaining) an insulin-lowering (ketogenic) diet is likely all that is needed. Clearly, if the condition is too advanced that might not be sufficient by itself. Nonetheless, I believe the intended group is the majority of T2s and as early detection continues to improve will be a larger and larger part.

I'm glad you mentioned protein. I get really tired of those either pro- or anti- low-carb who only look at carb counts. In the early 20th century when they scientifically developed a very precise diet to minimize insulin (to cure epilepsy), they looked at the ratio of all three macronutrients. That's what I do. Comparing notes just based on <30g of carbs, etc. is pointless since that can mean a wide range of things in reality and that's a big reason for the endless arguments.

I wasn't clear if on your scale I just have "attitude" or I'm a "fanatic"?
 

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Hey, weren't you a regular on that British forum "low-carb diabetes"? Really sad that they owner decided to shut that one down.

I've had some run-ins with that one myself! ;) I left before I got banned . . . handwriting on the wall, y'know . . . :D
 
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I'm curious.... how do you define an "insulin addict"? I've never heard of this term. I'm type 2 on insulin and to be frank I haven't been told anything about just how much of my pancreas is still functioning. So I have no idea just how much insulin is in my body at any one time. I'm thinking if there is such a thing as "insulin addict" it is someone who overdoses with full knowledge of just how much insulin they produce at any one time yeah? You can probably tell that I don't believe in telling anyone how to manage their own diabetes.... especially when they're under the care of endo's. I'm no doctor or specialist. Diet may help to some extent but not in all cases. :D
 

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I'm curious.... how do you define an "insulin addict"? I've never heard of this term. I'm type 2 on insulin and to be frank I haven't been told anything about just how much of my pancreas is still functioning. So I have no idea just how much insulin is in my body at any one time. I'm thinking if there is such a thing as "insulin addict" it is someone who overdoses with full knowledge of just how much insulin they produce at any one time yeah? You can probably tell that I don't believe in telling anyone how to manage their own diabetes.... especially when they're under the care of endo's. I'm no doctor or specialist. Diet may help to some extent but not in all cases. :D
You'd about have to go lurk at the forum they're referring to, Mep . . . you'd prob'ly recognize the "addict" ones pretty quickly. Some wacko people over there . . .:crazy:
 
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