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I am a person with all the Comorbidity's.

I am old, nearly 72.

I am morbidly Obese.

I have heart disease. I have had Open Heart Surgery. Later a Stent. Sometimes I can get really tired. Gasping for breath under a mask, and sometimes without a mask.

I am a Diabetic, who takes 170 units of Insulin a day.

My blood tests say I have kidney disease. Which has weird diet compared to Heart disease.
Heart- Whole Wheat bread. Kidneys, -No Whole Wheat Bread.
Heart-Diet soda is All right. Kidneys. No dark looking sodas, like diet Coke. Diabetes. For someone who takes as much Insulin as I do, goosing the Pancreas to give up more insulin with artificial sweetener, no problemo.

But the real difficulty in my life. I am tired of staying at home. Although I am too weakish to clean house, or do the more important, organize house.

Sigh.

Anyone else want to say something nice about Covid?
 

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To think that we're closing in on two full years of Things Not Like They Were... It is tiring. And stressful, especially for people at higher medical risk.

I'm fortunate in that I personally knew very few people who suffered serious symptoms or died from COVID. I can think of a few good things to say about its presence in our world, though:
  • People figured out electronic ordering and pickup quickly. Smaller businesses that had pooh-poohed the idea that customers would ever buy stuff without browsing the store found their future depended on doing something. It wasn't all pretty, but it all pretty much worked. That way of doing business is never going away.
  • Social organizations (including churches) figured out how to get big stuff done. Virtual museum exhibits, virtual fundraisers, drive-in/-through church services, teleconferenced board meetings -- again, none of it quite as good as the real thing, but far better than going without it.
  • I appreciate the outdoors more. Almost from the get-go, outside was a safe(r) place to be, and that meant that outdoor exercise or distanced visits with friends held fairly low risk. Again, not perfect (no hugs!) but better than only seeing people on a screen with yellow rectangles around their faces.
My wife and I both have some comorbidities for this virus. It was really hard having almost no contact with our grandkids for about a year. DW's mother spent many weeks in transitional care and nursing homes in lockdown without us being able to see her live (Apple got to sell another iPad because of that). Eventually that all has gotten better. We had chances to visit. Vaccines lower the risk that we'll get COVID or pass it on to others.

We found a B&B where each B was physically separate from the others and the &B was delivered to your door in the morning, so we didn't have to interact directly with anyone if we didn't want to. Outdoor events where we could be masked and away from other people left us comfortable with the risk -- even if the "event" was takeout dinner eaten in the tailgate of our car or with others at a lesser-used park. That's more difficult to do now (it's -5*F outside my house as I write this). But the B&B or a cabin somewhere might be doable. Just going out for a drive/ride changes the scenery for a bit. And warmer weather (almost anywhere but here) will make all that easier.

Maybe others here can post what they did to avoid feeling captive to their house and bored.
 

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It is amazing that as deadly as they say Covid is, that the total annual mortality numbers do not reflect it, at least in the US which was allegedly hit hard.

I'm not saying Covid's not real nor dangerous, but there are things being covered up and games being played. It looks like the mind games are having the effect they want on many and no one can question the "science" without getting cancelled. Sad that it can and is happening.

What do I do to avoid feeling captive and bored - I go about my life as normal, use common sense, and take care of my own natural immune system. I don't wear masks and I don't use hand sanitizer. I do wash my hands more often with soap and water and I'm glad they give you something to wipe off the buggy handles on shopping carts. That makes sense as an inhibitor of the spreading of any type germs. I believe managing my blood sugar as close to normal as possible reduces the risks of this, and other diseases, that a diabetic person faces.

I wonder what the next new variant will be and why all the masked "vaccinated" people are so scared, are they not believing the science they have been sold?. I also wonder why if the shots were really vaccines, why did they have to change the medical definition of vaccine, and why do they say you need to take so many shots? Did they ever fix the tests that gave a high percentage of false positives and how far have the efficacy numbers dropped off for all the "vaccines"?
 
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Living through history sure is interesting.

(sorry; hit the wrong button; watching the NHL Winter Classic)

I'm sure folks here had similar questions and concerns back in 1918. And I suspect it will be longer than all of our lifetimes before it is learned for sure what's real, what isn't, and what has been just the scientific process. Two years ago around this time we were sure our mail and our groceries were going to kill us if we didn't manage them carefully. We learned differently.

I'm okay with policies and recommendations changing. Science doesn't always agree with me but I have enough of a scientific background to understand that it doesn't have to. Measurements are measurements. We can (and should) make sure the measurements are as good as we can make them. Bad data yields bad conclusions. But I leave that in the hands of people who understand the process. I don't want TV entertainers advising me on public health and I don't want my doctor to be doing standup comedy somewhere.

If we are doing what we feel comfortable doing to protect our health and those of people we care about, like maintaining a low BG level and staying home or masking up when we don't feel well, then there should be freedom to determine how we live our lives through this stretch of time. We're still waiting on a lot of the answers we need.
 

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Wasn't it late 2019 when covid was first reported from China and Jan 2020 in the US? The gain of function researchers were probably the only ones asking questions in 2018. JMO
 
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Dunno. 🤷‍♂️ And depending on who a person wants to listen to, what's "true" seem to be hard to identify anyway. So I think I'll just wait for the dust to settle (if it ever does) and err on the side of caution. That seems to have worked fairly well for me so far.
 

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There is a rumor that of most of the people who have died of Covid, they had reduced levels of Vitamin D.

Not sure if they started with low Vitamin D levels. but, Diabetics are supposed to need a minimum Vitamin D level. It is possible to have Vitamin D toxicity, to much Vitamin D.

I am not sure if I recommend listening to rumors, but, in this case. Can't hurt to try to make sure I have enough Vitamin D.
 

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Have your doctor test your Vitamin D level. Mine was at rock bottom and my doctor (who isn't into vitamins at all) put me on prescription Vitamin D. You can easily get too much or not enough if you try to add your own supplement.
 

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I am not a Dr and do not give medical advice. I can only tell you my own experience. Throw away the masks. They do nothing to prevent viruses from being inhaled or exhaled. They do not control viruses. The fear porn you hear on the news every day is meant to control you and the mask's purpose is to make you feel like you're at least doing something even though they provide no protection. They simply demonstrate your fear and willingness to submit to tyrannical orders.

I am overweight and diabetic and survived covid-19. It was like a bad cold or flu, Ivermectin worked for me. It worked for my wife too. We both had covid at the same time and both turned around within 24 hours of starting the use of ivermectin. One can only guess at the reasons why its use is being suppressed. If you have not had covid I would try to get some ahead of time in case you do. There is price gouging occurring but its better to pay $500 for a course of ivermectin than die or suffer longer than needed from covid if you do get it. If you've had covid and can afford it, get some to keep on hand for a loved one.

Remember covid has something like a 99.97% survival rate. In the first year of the pandemic we were told in the US at Thanksgiving we had surpassed 500k deaths from covid, yet the total # of deaths in 2020 from all causes was actually lower than pre-pandemic years. I could give even more specifics but the numbers simply don't add up and don't justify the fear being propagated.

My advise to everyone comes from Acts 16:31 and Matt 10:28. Life is terminal. Eternal life is not. But you do need to choose where that eternal life will be spent.

Acts 16:31 = believe of the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.
Matt 10:28 = fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
 

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Remember covid has something like a 99.97% survival rate. In the first year of the pandemic we were told in the US at Thanksgiving we had surpassed 500k deaths from covid, yet the total # of deaths in 2020 from all causes was actually lower than pre-pandemic years. I could give even more specifics but the numbers simply don't add up and don't justify the fear being propagated.
I agree that the fear and hygiene theater around COVID-19 often has been over the top. Some of that happens when you're dealing with something new and lethal; hindsight is always clear and 20/20.

The original poster, could have named this thread anything they wanted. They chose one reflecting -- and their post describes -- a concern about an illness that has killed more than five million people globally and has a documented extra lethality to people who are older and have specific chronic conditions. Even if someone thinks those metrics are cooked, it's one hell of a conspiracy to think that six billion people are in on it and the numbers can be fudged that much.

In a social environment where the abduction of one child is national news for days (or, if she's white and pretty, months or years) and leads to new social practices and laws -- even though the chances of someone else's child being taken is astronomical -- something that has killed more Americans than every war the US has fought combined should not be shoved under a rug as mere "fear porn". And I believe we here on this site should be considerate of others' concern about COVID-19 just as we (particularly those using low-carb/keto guidelines alone to manage our diabetes) should be considerate of those using off-label alternative medications and faith practices as treatments.

Let's all give each other room to breathe and get through our lives.
 
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We are all tired of covid. We are all tired of Diabetes. Being tired isn't going to make it go away. Believing fringe theories backed up with zero science isn't going to make it go away. Not seeing it affect you today does not mean it isn't doing its darnest to terminate you. See the similarities?
I could have the problems that you are whining about. But I attacked it head on. You can fight the good fight or stand before the enemy and let it mow you down ,because that is less trouble.
I am not perfect. I don't like wearing masks, don't like taking medication, don't like anything else that I don't want to do. I am human just like the rest of you.
I would have liked everyone to get the vaccine. It would have made returning to like before much sooner. But fear of the unknown, a fear of science, following disbelievers who have something to gain has made this impossible.
I hope that those felt offended are mad enough to start/renew their personal efforts to fight the disease with renewed vigor. Bystanding is not a healthy choice.
 

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Numbers don't lie. The US CDC claims that 500k+ people died in 2020 from covid yet the total deaths by all causes actually went down from 2019.

Dr/Prof Genevieve Briand from Johns Hopkins University posted a video on YT where she graphed total deaths from all individual causes in Nov 2020 using CDC numbers, nearly a year into the pandemic and some some striking realities. For example historically deaths from causes like diabetes, cancer, heart disease, stroke, and influenza dont vary much from year to year, but in 2020 they fell of the cliff while covid #s soared.

That can be interpreted 2 ways. Either the numbers have been cooked, or covid only kills people that would have died anyway from all those other causes.

Every death is tragic regardless of the cause. If those numbers are not cooked, we could have saved millions of lives world-wide if there were not a concerted international effort to prevent people from getting the early treatment therapeutics that might have saved them.

My own experience with covid was that the US medical system told me to stay home, not get treated, and hope to not died. And if I got to death's door only then would they consider treating me - when it was way too late.

I work in the pharmaceutical industry (clinical trials to be specific) but I have lost all confidence in the WHO, CDC, FDA, NIH, and sadly the largest pharmaceutical companies in the world too.

My main point in all this is to tell people stop living in a state of what appear to be manufactured fear Everyone involved has there own agenda that it serves. Ratings for the news media; money for the vaccine manufacturers, distributors, and providers, political capitol for parties of one persuasion, and probably more that I can't even think o f off the top of my head.

As Jesus said fear changes nothing - Matt 6:25-34. Trust in God and let go of the fear.
 

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My main point in all this is to tell people stop living in a state of what appear to be manufactured fear
I'll try to remember that the next time I'm in an airport, shoes and belt off my person and my wallet and pocket lint in a bin, like everyone else waiting for my flight, ready to be felt up in the metal detector because one miscreant tried to set his shoes on fire on another plane 20+ years ago. I also will try to remember that next time I see a Mansfield bar.

For a long time, humans have responded and overresponded to danger. This is yet another episode. Stating opinions is fine, but there must be tolerance for opposing opinions. We're still too early in this to draw any firm conclusions. Only time will show who took the right approach on this.

In the meantime, I will remind all participants in this thread that:
1) politics beyond health care policy is not to be discussed on Diabetes Forum; and
2) Diabetes Forum has members from across the globe who have various belief systems and practices. Promotion of any single belief system, no matter how "true" or prevalent it appears to the poster, is tighly regulated.
 

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Chuckh1958 says he is not a doctor. Therefore, you should take what he says with a huge grain of salt. In a separate post, chuckh1958 claimed that while Covid-19 deaths in 2020 were 500,000+, total deaths from all causes declined from 2019. Nothing could be further from the truth! US deaths for those 15 and older rose dramatically in 2020. They rose so much (17 percent) that it caused a nearly two year drop in US life expectancy. This is the largest drop in life expectancy since World War II!

Be careful where you get your information. There are many people posting on social media who are making unproven claims. Some have a profit motive, some are against vaccinations, others have political motives. And, don't simply take someone's word for it. The previous posts made claims that the CDC posted statistics, but did not give the source. It took me literally seconds to confirm that the CDC said no such thing. I am posting an NBC News article about the death rates, but it is just as easy to go to CDC's website to get those numbers.

 

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Here's another one...

"Remember covid has something like a 99.97% survival rate."

OK, chuck, let's do a bit of math, shall we? You claim that Covid-19 has a survival rate of 99.97%. Let's assume for a moment that every single person in the US has caught Covid. I haven't, many of my friends haven't, but assume everyone has. There are 331 million people in the US. The total number of Covid deaths in the US is approximately 850,000 (that is likely an undercount). 850,000 divided by 331,000,000 is 00.257%. In other words, even though you claim that only 00.03% of people survive Covid, the percentage of Americans who have died from it is more than 8 times your number...and that even includes people who never got the disease!

Currently, the fatality rate is about 1.34%. However, that percentage is likely falling due to the lesser severity of the omicron variant.
 

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It seems the CDC keeps changing its data, with the biggest change in the last half of December 2020, December 14 to December 23 specifically increasing 314,730 deaths for that time period reported. A smidgen below 1/2 way down the page if anyone cares to read it. Be careful indeed where you ge your ijforjatio Same numbers mentioned here as I remember seeing on CDC prior to December. Does make one wonder if we can trust the data. Diabetes type 2 management recommendation from our medical experts does make me shy of just trusting the numbers or the supposed science of anything lately.

Can you provide link to the 98.66% survival rate you mentioned.
 
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I am not a Dr and do not give medical advice. I can only tell you my own experience. Throw away the masks. They do nothing to prevent viruses from being inhaled or exhaled. They do not control viruses. The fear porn you hear on the news every day is meant to control you and the mask's purpose is to make you feel like you're at least doing something even though they provide no protection. They simply demonstrate your fear and willingness to submit to tyrannical orders.

I am overweight and diabetic and survived covid-19. It was like a bad cold or flu, Ivermectin worked for me. It worked for my wife too. We both had covid at the same time and both turned around within 24 hours of starting the use of ivermectin. One can only guess at the reasons why its use is being suppressed. If you have not had covid I would try to get some ahead of time in case you do. There is price gouging occurring but its better to pay $500 for a course of ivermectin than die or suffer longer than needed from covid if you do get it. If you've had covid and can afford it, get some to keep on hand for a loved one.

Remember covid has something like a 99.97% survival rate. In the first year of the pandemic we were told in the US at Thanksgiving we had surpassed 500k deaths from covid, yet the total # of deaths in 2020 from all causes was actually lower than pre-pandemic years. I could give even more specifics but the numbers simply don't add up and don't justify the fear being propagated.

My advise to everyone comes from Acts 16:31 and Matt 10:28. Life is terminal. Eternal life is not. But you do need to choose where that eternal life will be spent.

Acts 16:31 = believe of the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.
Matt 10:28 = fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Amen! God is still in control.
 

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It seems the CDC keeps changing its data, with the biggest change in the last half of December 2020, December 14 to December 23 specifically increasing 314,730 deaths for that time period reported. A smidgen below 1/2 way down the page if anyone cares to read it. Be careful indeed where you ge your ijforjatio Same numbers mentioned here as I remember seeing on CDC prior to December. Does make one wonder if we can trust the data. Diabetes type 2 management recommendation from our medical experts does make me shy of just trusting the numbers or the supposed science of anything lately.

Can you provide link to the 98.66% survival rate you mentioned.

Simply divide total deaths by total cases to get a "current" fatality rate. But, keep in mind, it is not possible to get a final fatality rate while the disease is still in the population. You can only get a running total.
 

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The science that covid was manufactured in Wuhan has been proven. But the people that want covid to continue won't let you see the facts. They manufacture their own and try to demand that you believe it.
They depend on you to be lazy, not doing your own homework and just do as you're told. And just look at all the lazy and ignorant in the world.
Don't be fooled. Do your own research. Check news outlets that aren't from the mainstream.
Employees used to ask me when I entered a store if I wanted a mask. I said no I can't wear a mask because I have CS. The lady asked me oh? What is CS? And I told her, well according to HIPPA I don't have to tell you. But I will.
I have CS... Common Sense.😊
People please wake up. Covid-19 is a real thing. And it was made by a real, evil person.
And whether you believe this or not God is your only hope. And that's the honest truth.
 

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The science that covid was manufactured in Wuhan has been proven. But the people that want covid to continue won't let you see the facts. They manufacture their own.
They depend on you to be stupid sheep and just do as you're told. And just look at all the stupid sheep in the world. You can tell who they are because they wear a mask. Don't be fooled. Do your own research. Check news outlets that aren't from the mainstream.
Employees used to ask me when I entered a store if I wanted a mask. I said no I can't wear a mask because I have CS. The lady asked me oh? What is CS? And I told her, well according to HIPPA I don't have to tell you. But I will.
I have CS... Common Sense.😊
People please wake up. Covid-19 is a real thing. And it was made by a real, evil person.
And whether you believe this or not God is your only hope. And that's the honest truth.
No, it has not been proven. And watching YouTube videos is not a good way to learn scientific and medical information.

And, it is HIPAA, not HIPPA.

Jeebus.
 
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